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Proviso Probe

Sunday, November 05, 2006

PO-PO, driving while Black in Forest Park [FP]

Thursday I watched a Forest Park police officer arrest Clarence Davis, a Black motorists at approximately 12:45 PM. The arrest happened on Randolph ½ block east of Des Plaines, 50 feet from Davis’ destination, the bridal gown consignment shop. He was going there to pick-up a print order.

At the time a police officer told me that Davis was initially stopped for a bad brake light. The incident report says Davis was initially stopped for not wearing a seatbelt. Davis was arrested because his both the vehicle’s license and his driver’s license were suspended. The vehicle belonged to Davis’ employer; Davis says he was unaware of the vehicle’s registration being suspended.

During the arrest the officer used a taser on Davis multiple times. While pressed against his car Davis told me that the officer had made Davis "shit" himself. Davis requested I tell the owner of the consignment shop he was being arrested.

The Forest Park Police Department held Davis until approximately 5 PM. He was not allowed to wash himself and sat in his own feces for hours. His pants and shoes were removed and he was given paper pants to wear.

When Davis was released he did not receive his pants or shoes back. He had to walk barefoot across Forest Park to get assistance. When Davis asked to file a complaint the officer refused to explain the complaint procedure to Davis.

The officers who wrote the incident report fabricated at least part the report. They claim that Davis deliberately defecated to make managing him more difficult.

Based on the police providing two different reasons for initially stopping Davis—both rather flimsy reasons to stop a vehicle anyway—I suspect the incident is a textbook case of racial profiling.

The fact that a simple traffic arrest escalated into a violent situation reflects poorly on the training of the officer involved.

Forcing an offender to sit for hours in his own feces is simply a human rights violation. Davis wasn’t intoxicated and seemed pretty calm for a guy who was getting shocked with a taser. Destroying his clothing and forcing him to walk barefoot is reprehensible.


  • At least the black guy did'nt swear. Now that would be cause to use deadly force.

    By Anonymous Froggy, at 9:58 PM, November 03, 2006  

  • See Blake & Horritz. They already have a file for other Forest Park police brutality. Have him go to the emergency room. Take pictures of the multiple taser marks. Don't bother talking to the Police Department other than to file a complaint. Get a lawyer immediately.

    By Anonymous justice, at 10:58 PM, November 03, 2006  

  • So Nyberg witnessed when this man defecated himself? Did he do it before or after he was arrested? Was he tasered for no reason whatsoever? Did Nyberg discuss the incident personally with the individual? What did he say, exactly? What did the police report say, exactly? This sounds like just another case of Nyberg automatically taking sides against the police. Next...

    By Anonymous carlsnuts, at 5:31 AM, November 04, 2006  

  • use to live in forest park and the police department is bad bad,the black officers are trained to misuse black poeple also they are a bunch of uncle tom officers as well.this do not suprise me at all.the state police need's to come in their and run the department.because forest park can't....they are bunch of ass holes

    By Anonymous can't stand Forest Park, at 7:38 AM, November 04, 2006  

  • Why did he have a suspended licence and vehicle registration? Is he just allowed to drive with a broken brake light? Are blacks allowed to have different rules than others??/ Is everything and anything wrong they do supposed to be called racial profiling? Or why can't it be that they refuse to follow the rules of a civilized society??
    Does Nyberg suffer from "White man's guilt"? Does Nyberg defend cop killers?I bet Nyberg thinks its swell the hypocrisy that Obama shows when he supports Todd Stroger and calls him a progressive , but yet tells black audiences in Maryland not to vote for republican senate canididate Steele, who is Black, because blacks should support white democratic bosses like his opponent and guys like Democrats Serpico and Daley!

    By Anonymous Stop the bullshit, at 11:27 AM, November 04, 2006  

  • Carl,

    We gone backwards in time...the late 60s and early 70s are now 2006. Humane treatment of unfortunate people is no longer the case. Its reality all over.

    I can't even read some of these posts. If you care you are liberal or gay. That's how they get away with such uncivilized and reprensible behavior.

    By Anonymous liberal, at 3:56 PM, November 04, 2006  

  • Why did'nt that race baiting,opportunist Arnie"whats in it for me" Briant, go to the forest park police station to bail this "poor brotha" out and counsel him on his rights?
    Did'nt he do that in Bellwood during the past election when Memorial park police and Bellwood police arrested Kenny "man Munster" Leggins? Oh, I know why he did'nt go, that "poor brotha" was a "broke brotha" who was'nt running for office and could'nt get him publicity!Oh, I also know why he did'nt go he's allies with Calderone !

    By Anonymous "Where was loudmouth Briant", at 4:40 PM, November 04, 2006  

  • Yeah, yeah, yeah, the officer "told me", the report "says", and these are just all allegations the police make up. What the poor victim motorist says is fact, though, right? You say you saw this arrest take place, yet I find it interesting that you don't describe for us what precipitated him being tasered. Selective memory? Report only what's convenient to further your agenda? By the way, I thought it was the police's job to stop people for traffic and equipment violations such as you described. And what difference does it make that he almost made it to his destination? Now he deserves a free pass? You also report that he had to sit in his own feces for hours, but yet he left the station in a paper suit. Sounds just a little contradictory to me. I really wish you were police chief. You're just so full of actual substantive reason and ideas. You HAVE given us some thought on how police should work effectively, right? Oh yeah, you just like to throw out slanted views, then cut bait. And you call the police bigoted.

    By Anonymous Fair and Balanced, at 9:40 PM, November 04, 2006  

  • What's your issue Carl? Should we all be allowed to drive with a suspended license or didn't he know he had a suspended license (HOW WOULD THAT HAPPEN)? Should we allowed to drive without seatbelts? Should we be allowed to drive with suspended plates? Broken taillights? Why should we bother to get a license or insurance? Especially if we're black. We'll get stopped and cry foul. GIVE ME A BREAK.

    Sounds like they had enough reasons to stop him. And were you there to witness this? Hiding in the back of the van perhaps.

    Give this one a rest. Sounds like he at least deserved to be stopped and ticketed.

    By Anonymous Quit your bitchin, at 9:15 AM, November 05, 2006  

  • Nyberg's credibility is non-existent. He never apologizes when he gets his facts wrong. Instead, he continues to make outrageous claims, and when his lies are exposed, he attacks the ones he victimized with his lies. It's sickening. Stop the lies, Nyberg.

    By Anonymous candid, at 1:35 PM, November 05, 2006  

  • Stop and ticketed sure, tasered - No. The police chief needs to examine their policy on tasering and set limits. If he doesn't do it, then the state certainly will. A taser bill was proposed and will be heard in December of this year. Hopefully the results will help officers who can't help themselves understand the effect of tasering and set limits; in order to protect the public.

    By Anonymous WrongisWrong, at 1:40 PM, November 05, 2006  

  • Why don't you FOIA the taser records Mr. Nyberg. They are a matter of public record.

    By Anonymous Dopey, at 8:19 PM, November 05, 2006  

  • Okay, where in the hell is the NAACP? This is a damn shame in 2006.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:15 AM, November 06, 2006  


    By Anonymous Welch's Grape Juice, at 3:37 AM, November 06, 2006  

  • However petty, it does seem that the police had just cause to at least stop the vehicle. Then on top of that to have a suspended drivers license is a no no. The missing part is what precipitated the use of the taser. Was the guy belligerent in any way?

    By Blogger Provisoguru, at 8:26 AM, November 06, 2006  

  • If he crapped his pants he probably wouldn't want them back anyways.

    By Blogger Roy, at 11:32 AM, November 06, 2006  

  • Provisoguru, it appears that Carl was a witness. Carl what did this man do or not do to provoke the use of the taser? Maybe you should start to carry a digital camera. They are quite reasonably priced now.

    By Anonymous forest parker, at 11:43 AM, November 06, 2006  

  • Carl

    Is it True, that you are Felon

    is that why you have a Pre-Disposed hatred towards the Forest Park Police Department?

    By Anonymous Hmmmmmmmmmm, at 12:10 PM, November 06, 2006  

  • Carl, have your friend file a complaint with the Chief. Have him go there with his lawyer.

    Be prepared for Forest Park Chief to open up a can of lies.

    By Anonymous Tsk, Tsk, at 1:53 PM, November 06, 2006  

  • Contact Tom Bilyk, Asst. State's Attorney, Professional Standards, 312.603.1880, ask them to transfer you to Tom and leave a message. He is really good about answering calls.

    Any pictures taken will be helpful. Document point taser marks/burns.

    By Anonymous tsk, tsk, at 2:11 PM, November 06, 2006  

  • Call John, Blake and Horrowitz (312) 616-4433 ask for John.

    By Anonymous anti_policestate, at 4:21 PM, November 06, 2006  

  • Meantime do not give out the details, do not talk to the officer, do not give out any witness information. Do not expose pertinent information to the press (which you are) because that will backfire when FPPD counterattacks with a written report full of lies. The FPPD will use intimidation tactics and may misquote witnesses. Not worth it.

    BTB, NAACP and other groups are not interested in this kind of case. Why, because your friend did not die and/or was not hospitalized. So its a double edged sword.

    By Anonymous Reliable, at 4:26 PM, November 06, 2006  

  • You people make me sick. These officers are doing there job and some idiot that was driving a car and should not have been driving was arrested. Do you idiots realize that if he struck your vehicle or that of a loved ones his insurnace policy is void because he is DRIVING ON A SUSPENDED LICENSE. Common people stop bashing the police for doing there job.

    Dont resist arrest and then you wint get shocked.

    Carl insistantly blames the police for doing something wrong. That makes me sick. Report what this goof did to get shocked.

    By Anonymous You people make me Sick, at 10:14 PM, November 06, 2006  

  • Keep up the good work FPPD!!!

    By Anonymous Police supporter, at 10:15 PM, November 06, 2006  

  • We do not live in a police state. This is not Russia. If a man is driving without a license, that is a valid reason to cite an individual. However, the police have a responsibility to enforce laws, not act like criminals. Police are and should be held to a higher standard and they should be man enough to rise above a "tuning" up with the latest high voltage technology. Human beings have rights regardless of their driving status. When they make mistakes, there are appropriate ways to punish. Humiliation, making one sit in their own feces, turning human beings out into the street without shoes? This is brutality, not law enforcement. Anyone that thinks this is acceptable behavior by people that take oaths of office is not fit to wear a uniform and badge. If this is the good work that you believe the FPPD should keep up, you have lost your soul.

    By Anonymous Get A Clue, at 10:46 PM, November 06, 2006  

  • It's called resisting arrest for all you morons out there who think the police taser for no good reason.

    In years past it would have been a billy club over the head to control the ass wipe who resisted.

    What kind of flaming liberals have we degraded to?

    Break the law and be cooperative and you are treated with respect.

    Break the law and act like a ass wipe and get tasered because you deserve it.

    Don't like it? Moove to Russia.

    By Anonymous Video Guy, at 1:50 AM, November 07, 2006  

  • I don't understand why this type of behavior is accepted in this day and age. Are the people in positions of power deaf or dumb?

    By Anonymous Scrappy, at 6:56 AM, November 07, 2006  

  • It's called resisting arrest for all you morons out there who think the police taser for no good reason.

    Police are using that excuse to get a way with reprenesible behavior. Not everybody's resisting arrest these days - Come on!

    By Anonymous Lawyer, at 7:56 AM, November 07, 2006  

  • Video Guy said:
    "Don't like it? Moove to Russia"

    1:50 AM, November 07, 2006

    No need to with a police state, Russia is already here.

    By Anonymous YeahRight, at 9:34 AM, November 07, 2006  

  • For the sake of argument, let's put the taser aside. How does the FPPD and the hateful Mayor Calderone justify making a person sit in their own feces for hours and then toss them out of the police station without any shoes? Please explain how that has anything to do with resisting arrest. That is nothing more than a I'll show you N$@$#R from the FPPD. Can we assume this was white cop Mayor Calderone? Is this how minorities are treated in your town Mayor?

    By Anonymous dumbfounded, at 11:05 AM, November 07, 2006  

  • maybe we should make the offenders criminal record public and see if due to his past actions it would seem justified. also if the officer did not have a tazer his asp would have been used and being a police officer from a different department there are many situations in which i had a tazer.. remember just because a person looses a fight dosent mean that they are the victim.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:15 PM, November 07, 2006  

  • What the hell are you talking about? O.K. so your a cop, would you make a human being sit in their own shit for 4 hours? Would you turn a human being out into the street without shoes in November? Forget about the taser or the asp. Are you a human being able to use good sense and compassion and not give in to the primitive and animalistic urges that this cop did? Or is everyone that breaks a law, no matter how minor, just a sub-human criminal that will get whatever you feel like giving them?

    By Anonymous dumbfounded, at 1:56 PM, November 07, 2006  

  • Inhumane treatment of a person for any reason is not acceptable , not even for a police officer. It seems that many officers have to pass a course in racial profiling and bullying techniques in order to qualify for a non-desk position. Read '1984' and see the comparisons. Today a black man, tommorrow your little sister or older parent REGARDLESS of race or type of "crime". KARMA is a MF'er, and it will come back around!

    By Anonymous What Goes Around Comes Around..., at 5:45 PM, November 07, 2006  

  • Racism is alive and well in these gold old United States...

    By Blogger Cynthia, at 6:43 PM, November 07, 2006  

  • To all of you that have posted negative opinions of the incident , let me say to you that I also was a witness to the events as was Carl. Mr. Davis was pulled over for a broken tail light. He was never cited for a broken tail light that was the excuse that was used to furthur question him. He was not the owner of the vehicle so he had no idea of the registration being suspended. He howeever was guilty of the suspended license of which he accepts responsibility for. He was not resisting arrest he had both hands on the roof of the car as instructed. 8 additional police cars arrive on the scene. Only one other officer assisted in the actual arrest. There was no reason for him to be tazered he was severly outnumbered with several witness there. He did lose control of his bowels once tazered and was forced to sit in a holding cell for appox. 5 hours. Not being allowed to clean himself. Only to wash his hands for fingerprinting. He was forced to sit in the first cell,He was put on display for all to make comments about the odor. He was released around 5 p.m. He was unable to make phone calls. He was issued a pair of paper pants sz. large this man is 6'0 ft 240. the pants were ripped from the knee to the crotch. He was forced to leave with a coat, paper pants, NO SHOES IT WAS 31 DEGREES THAT NIGHT. So for all of you that have formed a the police is always right opinion imagine this happening to you. WE TREAT ANIMALS BETTER THAN THIS!!! POWS HAVE BETTER TREATMENT !!!! For those of you that do not beleieve racial profiling exists, I suggest you take a drive through an inner-city neighborhood (this is if you are a white male) Odds are 9 out of 10 you will be pulled over no matter the reason. You will get pulled over by a black cop who has profiled you . The Profile : Looking to score drugs or pick up a prostitute. I bet your attitude would severly change .
    Just because someone signed a bill making it illegal does not mean that it does not happen.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:16 PM, November 07, 2006  

  • Anonymous, I agree with you. Its heart breaking and I hope this gentlemen is OK. The best thing he can do is call a LAWYER. SUE, SUE, SUE and don't stop to talk to no one, don't be pushed to believe their shit of lies.

    By Anonymous SuetheBastards, at 8:35 PM, November 07, 2006  

  • Calderone is the biggest racist maggot they have, the Chief is a Puppet and the goons are guilt as sin of violating civl rights.

    By Anonymous Civil, at 8:45 PM, November 07, 2006  



    By Anonymous FPPD SUPPORTER, at 9:49 PM, November 07, 2006  

  • Hello, hello, paging Carl...? Where the f#%k did you go? You sure put an inflamatory post up here with a lot of serious allegations, no actual factual basis mind you, just taking the word of one person, and you let this nonsense ensue with these retarded posts by clueless people? How come you can't answer any real questions Carl? Where's your "journalistic" integrity? Come on, I dare you to back up your original post with some real facts. Please, I won't bite. I will expose you for the bigoted, lying police hater you are. I double dog dare you...

    By Anonymous fair and balanced, at 11:54 PM, November 07, 2006  

  • Racisism is a bunch of bull shit, everyone needs to get their heads out of the ass's.

    Quit trying to flatter yourselves and wake up to reality.


    By Anonymous Dewie, Cheatem,& How, at 1:32 AM, November 08, 2006  

  • Listen to this nut talking about breaking the law and getting arrested. If that were all it was there would be no problem. You missed a step there Mr. Policeman. You missed the part about being physically abused, humiliated, made to stay in your own feces, mocked and sent out without shoes in November. You are so callous and heartless. Power has corrupted you. You and the police department are spinning out of control.

    By Anonymous Boils, at 6:15 AM, November 08, 2006  

  • Double edged sword, I've been driving "White" on the west and south sides for 11 years while doing property inspections for banks and have never been profiled and pulled over. If you're doing doing something wrong it isn't profiling its policing.

    By Blogger johnt349, at 4:00 PM, November 08, 2006  

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    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 4:27 PM, November 08, 2006  

  • anti_policestate said...
    Call John, Blake and Horrowitz (312) 616-4433 ask for John.

    4:21 PM, November 06, 2006

    tsk, tsk said...
    Contact Tom Bilyk, Asst. State's Attorney, Professional Standards, 312.603.1880, ask them to transfer you to Tom and leave a message. He is really good about answering calls.

    2 very good resources, the rest of the BS here are from people that don't want to see another lawsuit in FP so its a scare tactic. Don't worry about it. Make the calls you will not regret it!!!!!
    FPPD WILL!!!

    Also, the "bleeding heart liberal" thing is a joke, that's the best these bootlickers can do...maybe I should of put the word a$$ in front of lick....you get my meaning.

    By Anonymous Call, at 6:37 PM, November 08, 2006  

  • Fair, what's your question?

    By Blogger Carl Nyberg, at 7:15 PM, November 08, 2006  

  • The obvious, how can you put out such an obviously biased post such as this, and pretend like you're just after the truth? You never indicated what precipitated this man being tased, why? You say he sat in his feces for hours, yet also report he was issued a paper suit. Which is it? Why do you take this man at his word, but never the police? Are you telling me that it is not legitimate for police to stop someone who has a broken taillight and/or not wearing a seatbelt? Are you telling me this man should have been let go because he almost made it to his destination? A lot of questions, sorry, but mostly, I'd like to know what you would do if you were a cop for one day. I ask this because you have spread a lot of self-righteous opinions about police and how they operate. I guess I'd like to hear you tell me how you'd handle typical police situations, from the mundane traffic violator to violent confrontations with police fighters. If you know of better ways to conduct yourself as an officer, please explain.

    By Anonymous fair and balanced, at 8:22 PM, November 08, 2006  

  • fair, if I used a taser on you and gave you paper pants, but didn't allow you to clean up properly, would you be ok with that?

    how bout if I sent you out of the police station barefoot? would that be ok?

    Legit reason for a police stop?

    How many middle-aged "White" women driving expensive cars get pulled over for seat belt violations? Cracked windshields? Defective taillights? Etc?

    The FPPD is in a bit of a bind on this one b/c the reason for the initial stop was one thing at the scene and another in the police report.

    By Blogger Carl Nyberg, at 11:16 AM, November 09, 2006  

  • Police station jails are not the Hilton, most do not come equipped with full showers and facilities. Allowing this guy to wipe himself up and be given something else to wear might be the best they can do.
    Do YOU know how many old ladies in nice cars get stopped for equipment violations? Your biased and/or paranoid view on police tells me that you only focus on the negative. This is quite evident in the fact that you started a conversation TWICE on Jose Montoya, but never mentioned Tom Wood, a Maywood officer brutaly slain in the line of duty. Any explanation for why you never reported that?
    Why do you take what this man said as gospel? Why do you assume the police are lying?

    By Anonymous fair and balanced, at 12:15 PM, November 09, 2006  

  • Carl, sorry but gee if FPPD is profiling guess what, it works. If I sat on my front porch and did a non-scientific study of cars driving past my house that use seatbelts (and I have) most of the cars that are breaking the law have non-white drivers. I don't know for a fact but I would also bet that some of them are driving without a license or insurance. Profiling, yes, probably true yes. If you're non-white and are driving without a license and (even if you don't know it) a car with suspended plates and a burned out taillight and no seatbelt, then you like to gamble. Be prepared to be stopped!

    By Anonymous Get over it, at 1:47 PM, November 09, 2006  

  • Should we also allow a black 209 board member to steal funds for a Proviso East hall of fame? Carl, why are you not outraged about Theresa Kelly and her antics? Is she allowed to steal and then not be questioned? Is she not suppose to be able to anwser questions about the money and about the obvious,where is this Proviso Wall of Fame?Should we give her a pass because as you argue she's black and its ok for blacks to break the law!
    Where is the Proviso East wall of fame? I went through Proviso East today and can't find any inkling of the wall of Fame that Mrs. Kelly organized with Gary Marine, and I wondered where did all the money go for this wall of fame event?
    I called Mrs. Kelly and asked her and she refused to comment, stating"it's nobody's bussiness,not the schools or anybody else!"She went on to say,"Nobody needs to know, so why don't you go ask somebody else your stupid,idiotic questions, and she abruptly hung up the cell phone which Proviso taxpayers pay for",.
    Theresa Kelly is the ultimate disgrace. She refuses to be honest about her dealings,instead she blames Welch for all her problems. Why can't the Forest Park review do a story about this? Why can't the Proviso Probe do a story about Kelly's refusal to discuss these allegations about herself and her actions. If I was Yarbrough and Flowers I would stand far away as possible from her, and I would tell her for her sake to go to the media and discuss her allegations to prove them wrong, if they are wrong.
    Yarbrough should also demand that she do this, because as you recently saw what happen to speaker Hasert about the Mark Foley inicident with pages, his mistake was not being proactive and immediatley report Foley and ask for an investigation.Yarbrough be careful, don't protect her if she is wrong, and also demand for her to speak up and prove these allegations wrong, if not it will linger in voters minds, and will also effect you, for your poor judgment in not exposing corruption within your organization.

    By Anonymous Why does Theresa Kelly get away with her crimes?, at 4:56 PM, November 09, 2006  

  • anti_policestate said...
    Call John, Blake and Horrowitz (312) 616-4433 ask for John.

    4:21 PM, November 06, 2006

    tsk, tsk said...
    Contact Tom Bilyk, Asst. State's Attorney, Professional Standards, 312.603.1880, ask them to transfer you to Tom and leave a message. He is really good about answering calls.

    By Anonymous civilrights, at 7:25 PM, November 09, 2006  

  • Keading why don't you and Cody go back to making out in the backseat of your squad. Puhlease! you are pathetic.

    By Anonymous StopBadPolicing, at 7:26 PM, November 09, 2006  

  • When I was voting yesterday, there was a black guy hanging out and talking with the poll workers for a long time while his eligibility was being figured out (he’d been out of the country or something). When he finally left, I heard several of the poll workers remark, loudly and conspicuously, what a nice young man he was (he was 27; I’d overheard his birthdate as he was giving it to them), and how rare that was these days. Would they have remarked the same way about me? Of course not — it would have been absurd and weird. It’s not-so-subtle shit like this that I notice from time to time that makes me realize that subtle signs of racism are very prevalent in the US to this day.
    On top of that, the legacy of Jim-Crow laws (which are not very far in the past) and slavery are very difficult to shake off for reasons that are no less real for being complicated.
    Statements like “those people should stop complaining and do something about their situation” are roughly equivalent to “I refuse to look into this situation and try to figure out what might be going on.”

    By Anonymous Chris Welch, at 7:46 PM, November 09, 2006  

  • Wow, the subject changes real fast, yet Carl still doesn't answer the obvious. Why do you take the word of the guy on the street at gospel and always assume the police are lying? Why did you not report Tom Wood's murder? You still there, Carl?

    By Anonymous fair and balanced, at 11:13 PM, November 09, 2006  

  • The Proviso Outsider has learned from numerous sources close to the president of the school board that Chris "the Proviso Insider" Welch is disturbingly obsessed with Theresa Kelly. Several board members, staff, administrators and teachers have cited the maniacal postings on the Proviso Insider as an eerily disturbing picture inside the mind of an obsessed mad man.

    The Outsider has also learned through various medical sources that Chris "The Proviso Insider" Welch is violently unstable and poses a physical threat to Theresa Kelly. Many in the know have stated that Theresa Kelly should report Welch to the proper authorities and should request an immediate restraining order.

    It's so sad...one would think that a 37 year old man could find inner peace within himself instead of being jealous of the accomplishments of another individual. It's especially disturbing to see this type of obsessive behavior aimed at a senior citizen.

    What do you think, has Chris "The Proviso Insider" Welch officially lost his mind? What does Welch expect to gain from physically attacking a senior citizen? Based on his maniacal postings and apparent stalking, should Theresa Kelly put out a restraining order on Chris "The Proviso Insider" Welch? Is this the type of behavior attributed to a normal 37 year old man?

    By Anonymous Proviso Outsider, at 9:46 AM, November 10, 2006  

  • Is Chris Welch Black? Does the community consider him to be a Black man?
    Probably not becasue he eats so much shit from Italians. I guess that makes Welch an Italian shit eater.

    By Blogger Everybody-Hates-Chris, at 1:31 PM, November 10, 2006  

  • To: Justice and Anti-Police State

    Hello, please call Blake Horwitz's office at 312-616-4433. Thank you


    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:29 PM, November 10, 2006  

  • Carl, have this person make this call. Why, because Tom Bilyk has received many complaints regarding FPPD and their procedures. Tom is very close to the area. Google Tom Bilyk and you will see that he goes after bad cops.

    tsk, tsk said...
    Contact Tom Bilyk, Asst. State's Attorney, Professional Standards, 312.603.1880, ask them to transfer you to Tom and leave a message. He is really good about answering calls.

    7:25 PM, November 09, 2006

    By Anonymous ProfStandards, at 4:08 PM, November 10, 2006  

  • Meantime do not give out the details, do not talk to the officer, do not give out any witness information. Do not expose pertinent information to the press (which you are) because that will backfire when FPPD counterattacks with a written report full of lies. The FPPD will use intimidation tactics and may misquote witnesses. Not worth it.

    4:26 PM, November 06, 2006

    By Anonymous goodadvice, at 4:10 PM, November 10, 2006  

  • Fortunately, sueing is the only way to get these out of control officers compliant and to understand the law. Its amazing how much Officer Friendly really doesn't know regarding the LAW. However, they will never tell you that; they'll lie, use intimidation tactics or talk like they are your best friends to catch you off guard. They will misquote you and jump to conclusions mostly way off left base. Scare tactics from residents who are not looking forward to another civil lawsuit. SUE, SUE, SUE. That is the only way you can stop this type of behavior.

    Posters here call it liberal, well laws were enacted to protect unfair treatment of individuals. This is way over the top of inhumane treatment.

    By Anonymous SUE, at 4:21 PM, November 10, 2006  

  • So Carl,

    As an "Eye witness" did the man comply with the police and put his hands behind his back or not?

    This apears to be the tasering point, when "the victim" refused to follow the verbal commands given to
    "Put your hands behind you back"

    Did he or did he not?
    You were there.

    By Anonymous peter H, at 1:47 AM, November 11, 2006  

  • I don't understand why all of this police brutality is allowed to happen. I hope they hold the person or persons accountable.

    By Anonymous Citizens Against Brutality, at 8:32 AM, November 11, 2006  

  • Don't worry Peter H, Carl is exposing himself for what he is. I've asked him to explain himself for his discrepancies in reporting this, as well as all his other bigoted anti-police rhetoric. His hit-and-run style of reporting, refusing to answer basic questions says all we need to know. Carl Nyberg is a hack "journalist" no better than all the racists in America that he decries.

    By Anonymous fair and balanced, at 10:14 AM, November 11, 2006  

  • To citizens against brutality-

    It's clear that FPPD and other surrounding villages have the same field training manual as the LAPD it doesn't matter if it's racisim, brutality, or to scheme the public. It all comes down to a bunch of crimminals with badges!!!

    And to Fair and balance-

    Stop living your fantasy life thinking that Forest Park's and other's S*#T smells like roses. It's called "Crook County" for a reason. I hate to break it to you but not all police officers tell the truth. That is a cold hard fact. C'mon guy wake up!!!!Stop lying to yourself and others!! Join us in the real world.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:11 PM, November 11, 2006  

  • This has gone on too long. We should demand reform. We should demand responsibilty. How in the world do they insure themselves?

    By Anonymous Piggy, at 3:57 PM, November 11, 2006  

  • I happen to be an officer in the proviso community and I work my ass off every day I'm at work. Sometimes people fight with the police sometimes they get hurt alot of the time the officer gets hurt. You all think that we wake up and say hey i'm going to beat the living crap out of some poor citizen today, and thats just not the way it is. There are alot of GOOD officers that work all over the proviso area, so stop bashing your police.

    What do you want the police to do when some idiot starts resisting arrest or fights with the police. I have a wife and kids and I'm going to do everything in my power to make sure I go home safe to them everyday.

    By Anonymous officer, at 6:01 PM, November 11, 2006  

  • I never said a word about the police, I certainly didn't imply that police brutality was okay. I was only taking Carl to task for his bigoted views against the police. He spews his nonsense, and you guys follow him like lemmings off a cliff. By the way, still waiting for a response from Carl, I think I've called his bluff enough times.

    By Anonymous fair and balanced, at 7:07 PM, November 11, 2006  

  • To Officer-
    Now let's not get excited. I said "NOT ALL" not EVERY police officer. If what I wrote before offends you it's because the truth hurts. You know as well as I do what really goes on in some departments! It's not fair that alot of citizens have to be scared of gangbangers and in some Villages at the same time the police!!

    To Fair and Balance-
    For "us guys" I really don't care for Nyberg that much either yes most of it is nonsense but I don't think so in this case. A second witness spoke on 11/7 7:16 pm with some pretty detailed statements. Plus I know for a fact this kind of thing happens more then the public is made aware of but not always to this extreme. As I said before we are not in fantasy land. By the way you seem like a law enforcement type how would you have handled this one? Oh, and if you are so intrested in the Woods case why don't you do some investigating and find out for us!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:26 PM, November 11, 2006  

  • lol....... you guys are so funny........Chris being an Italian shit eater made me laugh so hard I farted

    By Anonymous kermit the frog, at 5:18 AM, November 12, 2006  

  • Anonymous,
    I'd like to answer how I'd handle it, but since Carl leaves out some obvious details of what really happened, I can't say for sure. I'm not in fantasyland, I know police brutality exists, I know cops aren't all perfect. I just would like to see a fair debate, and Carl doesn't present one. My point with Officer Wood is that Carl conspicuously avoided the incident. He won't address the murder, and now he won't address why he neglected to report it. The reasons seem fairly clear to me. He doesn't want to publicize anything that might give the police credit or sympathy.

    By Anonymous fair and balanced, at 7:35 AM, November 12, 2006  

  • I wasn't posting much that week.

    There were other homicides I missed.

    Are you satisfied, fair?

    By Blogger Carl Nyberg, at 4:53 PM, November 12, 2006  

  • As a matter of editorial policy I try to cover stuff that falls through the cracks at the big news organizations. Or try to provide a local angle to stories.

    I didn't have much to add to the Hall story. I haven't heard any theories that aren't already being covered in the big media outlets.

    By Blogger Carl Nyberg, at 4:55 PM, November 12, 2006  

  • Sorry, Carl, but BULLSHIT! You started a thread on Jose Montoya, then re-started it when no one was posting anything about it. All in the middle of the Officer Wood homicide. We see right through that.

    By Anonymous fair and balanced, at 9:27 PM, November 12, 2006  

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