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Proviso Probe

Monday, April 10, 2006

PO-PO, Reformado to take legal action against Forest Park [FP]

Forest Park officer Ken Gross used an unauthorized strike technique--multiple punches to the head--against Edison Reformado. See picture and further background and discussion.

Reformado has retained Jeanine Stevens to represent him in legal action against the Village of Forest Park. Stevens represented Officer Andrea Caines and Sgts. Maureen Frawley and Dan Harder in their sexual harassment suit against Forest Park. Later Stevens represented Harder when Chief of Police James Ryan sought to terminate Harder for swearing and excessive absenteeism. The case is still being heard before the Fire and Police Commission. So far it has taken over one percent of Dan Harder's life.

Later Ryan sought to fire Lt. Steve Johnsen, who testified on Harder's behalf, for misconduct in arresting Jim Shaw, the owner of Doc Ryan's. See Forest Park Review (Seth Stern) for background. Stevens is also representing Johnsen. Although there have been few developments in the Johnsen case. He's suspended with pay and no hearing dates have been announced as far as I know.


  • Hope this costs Reformado's family a lot of money and that it is thrown out of court or Reformado has to pay. Has everyone forgotten he used a fake id to get into a bar and drink and then get thrown out and get into a fight on the street????????

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:20 AM, April 11, 2006  

  • No posting under "anonymous" on Proviso Probe. Use a pseudonym.

    After you type your message there are three options under "Choose an identity". Click "Other" and type something in the dialogue box to the right of "NAME".

    Reformado has been prosecuted for his transgressions. Has Gross been held accountable for his transgressions?

    By Blogger Carl Nyberg, at 12:56 PM, April 11, 2006  

  • Anonymous, you sound crazy. Perhaps professional psychiatric services are in order. What is with all the question marks are you the riddler or just frustrated? I would be too if I lived in Forest Park and had to pay for all the legal fees out of my own taxes. Perhaps you should question your Mayor and Chief. If the Department was properly trained, I'm sure none of these incidents would keep reoccuring. How long do you think the taxpayers should foot the bill for the FPPD's mistakes? Now I understand why all the questions marks.

    By Blogger frazier, at 2:25 PM, April 11, 2006  

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    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:45 PM, April 11, 2006  

  • Anonymous said: Police policies do not spell out what precise physical techniques may be used. That is in the eye of the beholder.

    Citizens say: It is not in the eye of the beholder but the eye of the public. Maybe police policies should spell out the precise physical technique that may be used, or perhaps techniques that shouldn't be overused, especially while in handcuffs as previous articles referenced. Officers should train at least once a month in the physical what ifs. Training is key to an officer being able to protect himself as well as the public without going overboard. Mental training is also needed to keep the officer from loosing his cool as this particular incident demostrated. As far as transgressions Mr. Perfect, in the Lord's eyes we all are sinners, including Officer Gross. Enough of your Sunday sermon. Live well be happy and put away your agression.

    By Blogger frazier, at 8:29 AM, April 12, 2006  

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    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 10:33 AM, April 12, 2006  

  • I can understand the difference, I only hope you can read. Anon2, transgressions were noted by Anon1 in reference to Gross's transgressions, no one was referring that people with transgressions should get sued. As far as loosing cool, your right it was also loosing control. Evidence of the police report that he wrote. One officer, needed to beat one kid, taser him multiple times, beat his head in again, get the bar "security staff" with handcuffs to sit on top of him, only to taser him multiple times while putting on handcuffs, call River Forest, Oak Park, everyone but you or I (because we weren't there). I note by evidence this to be quite excessive and disturbingly untrained. Not to mention again, out of control. Yes he did loose his cool this is evidence provided by a specific scenario approaching someone he believes to be allegedly out of control from behind. (Perhaps, his ability to quickly use tasers became more irratic than trying to maintain calmness and a level head). Thanks for pointing that out anon2.

    By Blogger frazier, at 12:29 PM, April 12, 2006  

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    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 1:26 PM, April 12, 2006  

  • No one, any where in this post said sinners should be sued. Yes, please learn how to read. Maybe, a prozak pill will help calm you down. You clearly cannot get over the fact that excessive abuse was used. Many people from a bar that were inside the bar and not outside and a DJ that was already in an altercation does not account for "reliable" sources. A taser gun would be a reliable source, an officer that could tell the truth in Forest Park would be a reliable source. I understand the anger coming from an overly agressive police department, but please understand that the public no longer wishes to have you use torture tactics on them. Its quite simple and its also called civil rights.

    Me personally, I would not have used tasers 5,6,7 times. I do not need to have bar patrons, multiple officers, bartenders, River Forest or Oak Park to help me discuss with this young man at a distance why he should calm down. I would have made sure that he understood that I was a police officer (from a distance), I would have kept my control and cool. I would have not used my hurt ego as a tool for excessive police force and I most certainly would not have hit him in the face while in handcuffs.

    Thanks you for asking, I'm assuming Anon2 again.

    By Blogger frazier, at 2:35 PM, April 12, 2006  

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    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:52 PM, April 12, 2006  

  • Why are you sorry I brought God into this, I have no problem with God, why do you? I give Reformado more credibility than Gross because Gross used the taser several times right, I didn't read anywhere that said Reformado had the taser gun? There is no way that after the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th or even 7th time of tasering that Reformado was not in compliance. Medically speaking, that is unheard of. As far as paying cops to get their hands dirty. That is not what taxpayers do. They pay cops to uphold the law. Mayor's are paid to get their hands dirty in Forest Park, get it right Anon#2.

    By Blogger frazier, at 3:10 PM, April 12, 2006  

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    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:25 PM, April 12, 2006  

  • Since police policies do not spell out what precise physical techniques may be used, does that me create your own physical techniques? From what I understand another individual did punched KG in the face that night and he did have the option to run…so he did! Would this be why KG lost control and used excessive force? I offer a better suggestion, how about proper training? One might take a real course at a POLICE ACADEMY for 12mths not a course at the local college for 12 wks. Did you take part in the beating, is that why you ask if all sinners should be sued?? Would one might take this has a confession of your sin that might have taken place that night. You can stomp your feet all you want. If all questions have been answered, this family might not have taken these actions. We continue to make excuses and hide the truth. Excuse are like a**holes, every one has one. Okay, he had a fake ID, felony or misdemeanor? Misdemeanor!! So, most likely this has already been thrown out of court and a small fine. Apparently we do have a bigger problem in FP then a little ID incident, if we have been sued several times. You don’t have to post anonymous, it’s too obvious that you work for FPPD. You sound like I did before I opened my eyes!

    By Anonymous black pit, at 4:03 PM, April 12, 2006  

  • Why do you say he wasn't listening? How do you know? Reformado alledges that Gross never identified himself? What's there to listen to? Is that impossible to believe if you had your back turned to someone? Actually, it is the most like scenario. However, since we weren't there, we have to intepret a report from an officer who works for a police department with the mindset of its OK to use police brutality (and remain on the payroll) as well of a history of elevating police officers that demonstrate police misconduct. If you ask me, its not just this one incident but as the article indicates; its the whole FPPD. You're right on the other hand, officers that do not use police brutality and are committed to upholding the law, exhibit common sense are deserving of credit. Unfortunately none of those credits have been mentioned for over a year in Forest Park. Exception, the officer that saved the rotweiller, NICE JOB!

    By Blogger frazier, at 4:36 PM, April 12, 2006  

  • I find history more credible. The FPPD has a history of police brutality, racism, police misconduct and discrimination. I find that history usually repeats itself if the course is not altered. I give more credit to history. If you live in FP, you would too.

    By Blogger frazier, at 4:58 PM, April 12, 2006  

  • It was not known by Gross that he was struck by another individual. Only Reformado.
    If Reformado is the upstanding, law abider here, why did he kick another officer so hard he tore the cops pants?
    Think for a moment, there is a melee in the street, you are involved in a free flowing fist fight that has taken from the inside of a building to the outside and into the street. Is it possible that in your rage, with adrenalin pumping, the fact you are focused on and attacking the people you were in the farcas with, that you didn't hear the Cop identify himself and attempt to use voice commands to calm the situation?
    I would say yes, even after all the martial arts training he took.

    When you fight the Cops, almost always, the Cops win. And Thank God for that.

    By Anonymous bbones, at 11:25 PM, April 12, 2006  

  • Think about it for a moment, you are not in full uniform, you approach an alleged offender from behind. You are wearing a regular brown jacket over your utility belt. It is dark outside. Now picture the alleged offender, you saw your friends getting beat up inside the bar, you were removed from the bar and are now have bar patrons coming after you and are in an altercation while being pulled from behind. You don't stop to look, you figure its you or him, so you hit him. Did you bother to look down at a utility belt, a badge, an embroidered star, no don't think so. Now officers point of view: you take a punch, are thrown back a little bit. Now your pissed off and this fn kid is not going to know what hit him. You start your taser guns threw the darts, you see him jump in convulsions, yeah 50,000 volts is what he needs. Then you jump on top of him, start pounding his face into the pavement, start punching the side of his face with closed fists several times. Patrons are helping you, they recognize you for the true hero you are. You issue more tasers, another 50,000 volts, the alleged offender is not able to do anthing at this point you've crippled him aleady with a total of 100,000 volts, you have the security staff give you handcuffs. You place the handcuffs on him. Another 50,000 volts, his legs are twitch because of the jolts of electricity. We don't need his kind here. Another 50,000 volts. He's filth, a gangbanger, who punched me. I have to go back to the police station with this filth, I'll make sure my guys see who got the best of who. Another 50,000 volts and another 50,000 volts...now for processing stay right here don't move. (One last show for the road, I'm glad he's in handcufs), backhand to the face, think about this next time you accidentally hit a cop.

    Now, I see anger, motive, out of control, lost temper, and poor training.

    BBones, I know you are the Mayor that is trying to defend your FPPD. As said before history proves itself over and over again. Get you pillow go ssshy night (I can only bet that your corruption is keeping you up at nights). Honestly, retraining, new police policies and less dirty hands can give you a good night's rest.

    By Blogger frazier, at 8:45 AM, April 13, 2006  

  • Where did you get martial arts training? You do not know what you are talking about. He has never had martial arts training. You are crazy. Frazier help this idiot out, once you pull him out of the Mayor's a$$. Oh, wait a minute it is the jacka$$ Mayor. Use your elevated detective clones to do some work. Ed has never had martial arts training. However I have.

    By Anonymous In the know, at 8:50 AM, April 13, 2006  

  • Bbones I mean Mayor Quimby, you are a joke. Good luck with April 07. You say no backroom deals ever happen in your 2 door office. Did you sell us down the development drain? Did you receive a kickback on the Roos. Your filthy politics will come back to haunt you.

    By Anonymous FPTaxpayingCitizens, at 8:55 AM, April 13, 2006  

  • Bbones, what happened to my question in previous post. You stated that Ken Gross tried to use his tasers three times but it was ineffective. Where did this number come from Mayor? Was it a report that crossed your desk? Did you give a copy of the findings from your investigation to Ed's parents? Are you going to answer any of these questions or will you just post on a new thread?

    By Anonymous auntbsmayberry, at 9:02 AM, April 13, 2006  

  • Bbones, what happened to my question in previous post. You stated that Ken Gross tried to use his tasers three times but it was ineffective. Where did this number come from Mayor? Was it a report that crossed your desk? Did you give a copy of the findings from your investigation to Ed's parents? Are you going to answer any of these questions or will you just post on a new thread?

    By Anonymous auntbsmayberry, at 9:03 AM, April 13, 2006  

  • A kick cannot tear pants. Another science mystery...

    By Anonymous anti_bbones, at 9:10 AM, April 13, 2006  

  • Lost and Found:

    FPPD department seeking truth, integrity, common sense and experience. Has anybody found our integrity and common sense we seemed to have lost it? If you find it please return it to Chief Ryan and Mayor Calderone. A reward will be offered.

    By Anonymous Lost and Found Department, at 9:18 AM, April 13, 2006  

  • Here's something interesting to note:

    Mayor posts on the Forest Park Board on 4/12/06 @ 11:42 p.m.

    Bbones posts on the Probe a 4/12/06 @ 11:25 p.m. In almost every posts that have been made Bbones is usually folled by the Mayor or vice-versa. Bbones and Mayor same people? Survey says..YES!

    Posted: April/12/06 at 11:42pm | IP Logged

    Mayor why would you post on the Board so late in the evening. Could you have crooked politics on your mind? Or possibly a poorly training Police Department with no mangement on your mind? Defend your posts to Godmother. Tst, tst Mayor. You should know better. Politics is no place for a wanna be gambino. Start practicing good politics and you won't have to watch your back or spend so much time on various websites defending yourself.

    The only "behind doors" godmother is in your imagination.

    Do your research and you will find that I have stated that indeed I have had preliminary conversation with a proposed developer.

    This took place in my office with the 2 doors wide open.

    I'm amazed and amazed at your continued effort to interject fallacy in your opinion.

    Having a developer visit the mayor about proposed developments is normal and I indeed subscribe to that position.

    I do not make "back room" deals as you routinely suggest.

    Mayor Anthony T. Calderone
    Proudly Serving the Village of Forest Park

    By Anonymous ConcernedFPCitizens, at 10:21 AM, April 13, 2006  

  • The only proudly thing he ever served was another drink for himself! BOTTOMS UP! He is the most crooked Mayor we ever had in the history of FP. I'm tired of him going unopposed every year. I only hope that after the FBI is done with Melrose Park, they pay this a$$hole a visit.

    By Anonymous FPMutiny, at 10:35 AM, April 13, 2006  

  • Mr. Mayor, Nooooooooooooh!
    You know better than to advocate for police officers taking the law into their own hands. We have a judicial and jury system in place. Please make sure it is adhered to. It is up to officers to uphold the law, remain level headed, show good judgment and common sense.

    Now about your restless nights, see your doctor for a prescription of ambien. Take a load off by loosing the dead bodies in your trunk, this can be easily achieved by a nice drive through the country roads of Canada. As for your alter ego Bbones, they will take many months of psycho therapy. We can do this together. It will take a lifetime commitment of good ethics, positive government practices and new higher moral standards. If you maintain the right attitude you can accomplish these goals within the later quarter of your Mayoral term.

    By Blogger frazier, at 3:13 PM, April 13, 2006  

  • QUESTION: Mayor, if you have jurisdiction over all police matters, than why would you elevate a police officer who participated in sexual harrassment and discrimination to Lt.? Are you sending the message to your constituents that you condone that type of behavior. Also, Mr. Mayor, why would you allow Chief Ryan to proceed with firining of Dan Harder? Is the message your sending that anyone who speaks out on police brutality issues will be fired? Mayor you are sending very mixed messages. The buck stops at your office. Should your constituents believe that you are pro-brutality, sexual discrimination and sexual harrassment?

    The Mayor of Forest Park is also the Commissioner of Public Affairs and is responsible for presiding at all meetings of the Village Council, has jurisdiction and supervision of the Police Department, executes all agreements /contracts on behalf of the Village, and has general supervision over all Departments, officers, and employees of the Village.

    In addition, the Mayor also acts in the capacity of Local Liquor Commissioner. For inquiries on the application process for a local liquor license, please contact the Mayor's Office at 708-366-2323 x159.

    By Anonymous Constituent, at 5:14 PM, April 13, 2006  

  • You are all ignorant fools if you think I am the Mayor.

    Reformado was not abused

    By Anonymous bbones, at 6:13 PM, April 13, 2006  

  • Now, now Mayor Bbones resorting to name calling does not become you. Please refrain from name calling or you will be deleted. I don't care much for your tone or your opinion. Did you know that the Mayor forgets periods after his sentences as well, of course you knew. Punction was not one of his strong points perhaps that was the year you decided to drop out of high school. Never mind. Everyone has heard you say you don't think that's abuse, fine. Mr. Mayor, why did you say Ken Gross tasered Ed 3 times and the taseres were ineffective? Was this a report that crossed your desk? Your alter ego Bbones is becoming the predominent character Anthony.

    By Blogger frazier, at 10:39 PM, April 13, 2006  

  • Frazier, If the shoe fits,....
    I did not drop out of highschool. However, many people have and have become very wealthl, what is your point?
    No report other than what Carl has posted. I said three but it could have been 15. My point is it will take what ever number it takes until the the Non-lethal weapon has the desired effect, compliance and apprehension.

    I think some of you are confusing the rest with the copy and paste deal. I would suggest you visit the other site and Participate in the conversation in a civil manner. You may find that opinions may be swayed with fact.

    In the Know, Reformado wrote in his own blog he was taking martial arts classes. However, after it was noted he had some not so flatering comments on his blogg about himself and his relitives, the site was shut down. Hmmmm....

    Carl, you take away from the blog when you delete entries. Anonymous is a one of the options to select. You, as a activist journalist, should embrace all who come to your blogg. Lest you desire a one sided debate. Shame on you.

    By Anonymous bbones, at 12:06 AM, April 14, 2006  

  • Everyone should know that bbones is not the Mayor of Forest Park. He is the Mayor's sidekick and yes man and a member of the 3 to 2 vote that allows Calderone to rule in Forest Park.

    He thinks of himself as a knowledgeable man, but in reality is foolish at best. He is being used by Calderone and too afraid to ever vote against him.

    The voters of Forest Park will never, ever, let this half man have any more influence in our town.

    If you are wondering why he tries to defend the FP police department with such passion it is because he is a childhood friend of Sgt. Mike Murphy. If you google Sgt. Mike Murphy you will find the VOFP has paid millions of dollars in settlements to minorities who filed charges of police brutality against Sgt. Mike Murphy.

    bbones you are a tool.

    By Blogger harkmosty, at 7:25 AM, April 14, 2006  

  • Dear Hosty, your spelling is horrible. Enough of the personal attacks on family and a victim of prolice brutality from the FPPD. You are so angry that your spelling has become atrocious and barely legible. Anger only proves a point, that obviously FPPD has issues with loosing tempers. The fact of another board being civil is highly unlikely since you can barely control your tongue here. Fact based upon reading your posts. You may wish to believe your opinion is correct but in actuality its just your opinion.

    I heard about your comprehension problem, Carl does note not to use Anonymous so everyone here was warned, if they choose to adhere to it or even read, that's their problem.

    Now, what are your deep underlying issues of anger management, loss of sleep, and absurd rants. Could it be the constant lieing, corrupt government, employment a little stiffling these days? This can all be controlled through mental health therapy.

    As far as facts others have posted information regarding several FPPD issues. Fact is FPPD has had issues for many years. Do you believe in history repeating itself? I do, it has been a proven fact. Calm down Bbones, you appear to have lost control.

    By Blogger frazier, at 9:12 AM, April 14, 2006  

  • Bbones regarding civil talkin you are callin the pot and kettle black. You racist. I don't like being called ignorant - you condescending fool. You're nothing more than a white-hooded wearing arrogant, ignorant, moronic bastard. That loves bein the Mayor's little boy bitch. If you like bending over everytime your blue polyester wearing boyfriend Murphy has a scratch..That's your biz. If you like gettin on your knees to satisfy a crooked Mayor's load, that's your problem, we don't have to swallow it. We simple folk here don't need to get on our knees. We have every right to call a racist a racist and call out a misuse of power. We tell it the way it is, I don't give a shit if you consider it civil or not. You corrupt piece of crap, comin on here pretening you some perfect innocent, civil man. Your just lucky you haven't been caught yet by the FBI burning crosses. Now don't let the door hit you in your ass on your way out. I see you and the Mayor's true colors.

    By Blogger AuntBsMayberry, at 9:30 AM, April 14, 2006  

  • ...and another thing, Frazier did you notice Bpathetic, Hosty or whoever the hell he is comes on here talkin bout facts: Let's see what he said: Ed was on pcp, knows martial arts, tasers were ineffective 3 times. None of these so called facts (which he himself admitted throwing a #out) were in the police report or anywhere else. Least, I'm not to ignorant to read and post in as Anon. This man has lost his freakin mind. Frazier don't bother helpin him out. Let him call his brethren for electric shock therepy, what a dumbass.

    By Blogger AuntBsMayberry, at 9:46 AM, April 14, 2006  

  • You know AuntB, I don't believe you should take offense by BPathetic. You are right, his racist views has kept him ignorant. Despite his civil pretentious mannerism he struggles with a high level of anxiety. As a previous poster stated, he has put himself in a position where he feels the need to appeal to his peers so much that it impairs his rational thinking as demonstrated. This eats away at his very soul daily. His very essence is dependent on how he is viewed by his peers. This has caused his perception to be slightly skewed. In other words you are right, you see right through his crap. Sorry about my soapbox.

    By Blogger frazier, at 9:57 AM, April 14, 2006  

  • In reference to www.forestpark.com. I have reviewed this website and am sharing the following: A conversation existed with a poster named Katie, it seemed he/she was not pleased with Bbones either. So, in taking his advice regarding their civil mannerism, I noticed the heat intensity to be about the same level as it is here (in the Proviso Probe). I also noted name calling to a certain Commissioner named Terry Steinbach. That seemed highly inappropriate, against their "Board" rules and upsetted the posters there as well. The emotions expressed here are about equal to Bbones website. Funny note: Even his so-called "people" can see right through him and they weren't too civil expressing it either.

    The old saying, people in glass houses should not throw is applicable, in this situation. With this said AuntB, you go girl!

    By Blogger frazier, at 10:07 AM, April 14, 2006  

  • You didn't finish your sentence Frazier...people in glass houses shouldn't throw stones or shit. Right Frazier?

    By Anonymous auntbsmayberry, at 10:10 AM, April 14, 2006  

  • Correct, AuntB.

    Also, Kudos to Harkmosty for posting. I encourage you to continue with your message of FPPD's crisis. This is bringing a much need awareness to Forest Park residents. Forest Parkers we must stand up and not tolerate crooked government or a police department that lacks accountability.

    These issues concern are very taxpaying pockets. I for one do not like taking food from my family's table to feed a Village's liability bill. This affects all of us and we are in it together.

    By Blogger frazier, at 10:20 AM, April 14, 2006  

  • Does anyone have any information regarding the Harder hearing yesterday? I'd be interested in knowing whether on not Chief Ryan continued his deceitful pattern.

    In the know- what do you know?

    By Blogger frazier, at 10:26 AM, April 14, 2006  

  • It seems you all have decided to attack me instead of the issue of some young drunk punk that decided to falsify an ID, fight in the bar, fight in the street and fight with police.
    It has nothing to do with ethnicity and everything to do with responsibility for ones actions. Reformado is a criminal

    By Anonymous bbones, at 12:32 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • I guess police officers who use excessive force are not criminals in your world. Could it be because you are one who is responsible to see that police brutality does not exist and you don't have the stones to stand up for what is right. The finger points right at you post toasty. I mean Commissioner H

    By Blogger harkmosty, at 12:44 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • I googled Murphy and this is what I got, from an article on Police Officers who received the Medal of Honor from Gov B.
    Sergeant Michael Murphy of the Forest Park Police Department was honored for rescuing a woman from a residential fire. After receiving an initial call of shots fired, Murphy arrived to find a home fully engaged in flames and an elderly coupled trapped inside. Disregarding his own safety, Murphy entered the residence and was able to locate the unconscious subject from the residence. Once safely outside, Murphy performed a chest compression to start her breathing.

    By Anonymous bbones, at 12:50 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • Mike Murphy is no fine outstanding officer. More lies and less facts. In fact, Mike Murphy beat a defenseless and homeless man about two years ago. There was no medal accommodation for this only a trip to visit Dr. Phsyc Ward. He beat this man so severe that he broke his wrist. Once again the Village had to pay money so this could all go away. As mentioned before this board is not the only one with Bbones issue. His small mind is apparent to everyone that knows him. Here's a little tidbit. Mr. HarkPosty used to get beat up and picked on almost every day in his youth. Now he has comeback with a vengence. As AuntB stated, he has exposed himself to an old profession, only he doesn't get paid to do it. He uses it for protection and exalted esteem.

    By Anonymous OldChum, at 2:23 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • bbones,

    I feel I've made the expectations about not posting anonymously clear. Deleting posts is my tool-of-last-resort for enforcing the rules.

    In my experience it is difficult to follow discussions with multiple people posting under "anonymous". I try to give a little leeway, but I feel strongly about this point. I don't want more than one person posting as "anonymous" in any one thread.

    I believe the policy makes Proviso Probe more user friendly. I'm sorry if you disagree. I hope you will continue to participate in the discussion.

    By Blogger Carl Nyberg, at 2:28 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • bbones,

    Are you familiar with the allegations against Mike Murphy?

    By Blogger Carl Nyberg, at 2:30 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • Hey, Bposty...Its a good thing Lt. Cody wasn't around, she would of got more than a chest compression.

    Watch out for that one AuntB. Wear your bra with the hook and safe in front?

    The men BHosty mentioned are only deserving of a good kick in the ass. They are like little mini Stalins using the power for evil and not good. Not all officers are like this but the few that FPPD has and is elevating are bad apples. They should be plucked and thrown into the fire.

    By Anonymous Saintly, at 2:30 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • I disagree with you Hosty, this has everything to do with racism and police brutality. The issues are clear, this is reoccuring in your Police Department. The complaints are from African Americans and Latinos. There are more pending cases, existing cases, and past cases involving police brutality and police misconduct.

    Since, I see that you have judged Reformado to be a young punk, I feel justified in saying that you do not believe in our judicial system. He is innocent until proven guilty by a court of law in this wonderful land and a jury of his peers. There is a judicial system Commissioner Hosty and you are not it. You do not understand what your friend Michael Murphy should be doing as a police officer. It is not clear to you what duties he should and shouldn't perform. You lack knowledge of the law and therefor are ignorant. It is not up to any officer to take the law into his or her own hands and use unnecessary police tactics or excessive police force, this in itself is criminal and punishable by a Court and jury as well.

    Your anger and clouded racism keeps you from learning the truth. You are blinded and the only validation you have is to be used as a "tool".

    By Anonymous respectrights, at 2:44 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • I am not Mark Hosty.

    Reformado went to court and was sentenced for his CRIMES. What is the definition of a Criminal. I always thought it was a person that commits a crime.

    All I was pointing out with the Murphy citation was that this was all I could find when I "Googled" him. I am aware of the Hooks situation. We are not speaking about Murphy. We are Speaking about Reformado the young punk that starts and participates in street fights then runs home to Mommy when he is treated like the criminal he is.

    By Anonymous bbones, at 3:48 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • Actually you were speaking about Murphy, he got a commendation, was boy scout of the year, etc. You just neglected to mention the other FACTS as you are so keen to reference Reformado's incidents. Do you hate Reformado because he is Latino? I am detecting a deep seathing hatred for this young man that you do not even know. Why is that? Do you think a criminal deserves to be beaten beyond the needed measures to affect the arrests? What are you saying exactly Mark? It seems as though you have deeper issue with this incident. Calling Reformado a punk, accusing him of running to Mommy. What else are you going to say. A beating does not justify a clean arrest. These are two different things. If your nerve was struck; its only because you have a problem with other opinions. You really believe your own opinion matters and it doesn't. People are entitled to believe what they want, just like you even though it is wrong and clouded.

    By Anonymous respectrights, at 3:58 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • You don't know shit Bbones. I wish Reformado's mommy would beat your ass and taser you 6 times. I bet this woman can whip you around like the true little bitch that you are. You ain't nothing more but a little brown nosing suck up. Your nose is so brown that I thought you was the UPS man. You are the most sickening thing, next to Calderone and Murphy. Your dirty rotten smelly bones are reminders of FP's skeleton closet.

    By Blogger AuntBsMayberry, at 4:01 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • The thing here is that I don't feel the force used was all that excessive. If Reformado, the fine upstanding young man, that never broke a law until the evening he went ape shit, just did as he was instructed by the police when they showed up he would not have been wrestled to the ground or tasered. I have seen the FP Police stop outside the bars along Madison and give drunks rides home. They in general are not out to crack heads but keep the peace.

    By Anonymous bbones, at 4:05 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • Let us be reminded that Bbones is disturbed, has been for sometime now. He is the Mayor's interjection. He burps the praises of the Mayor as though he was burping the alphabet. For him its a natural regurgitation. He suffers from grand dilusions, alter ego persona and is a sociopath. He needs help. Let us show him an ounce of pity.

    By Anonymous frazier2, at 4:05 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • bones, is it possible that Murphy is a menace to others as has been alleged by other Forest Park police officers?

    By Blogger Carl Nyberg, at 4:06 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • Like Mike Murphy was breaking arms but helping compress a woman's chest. Sit your punk ass down. You low life.

    By Blogger AuntBsMayberry, at 4:06 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • I think you guys are getting lost in thought, perhaps it is unfamiliar teritory for you.

    Just because he has an intimidatiing personality does not make him threatening. I have not heard of any confrontation with Murphy and any of his peers.

    By Anonymous bbones, at 4:15 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • The only people qualified to determine whether or not excessive force was used in this incident would most likely be a medical expert. This should be interesting. I wouldn't dismiss the fact that taser darts output 50,000 volts of electric shock. I think that you really should consider that. One way to do this, is to get your fingers wet and touch your circuit board. That sting would not cover the unkown times that Reformado was tasered.
    You can choose not to find this excessive, that is your opinion. However, when you use anger to express your point, it leads me to believe you have an agenda.

    Taking you home for the evening, does not mean that all officers escort drunks off of Madison. You were just an easy pick up.

    By Anonymous respectrights, at 4:17 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • Actually, its odd that you haven't heard it. His peers did mention this at the Harder hearing, in front of Chief Ryan, his peers and attorneys. Where were you Mr. Hosty.

    By Anonymous respectrights, at 4:20 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • I'll be honest the only thought I have is beating Bbones. Pleeez tell me he is not in local government. Pleeez tell me he did not get voted in. He went from being a punk ass kid, who got picked on to being a loud mouth suck up.

    By Blogger AuntBsMayberry, at 4:23 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • The thing here is that I don't feel the force used was all that excessive.

    Bbones, please define "all that excessive".

    By Anonymous frazier, at 4:28 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • The problem Bbones is that this territory is very familiar. A few officers in Forest Park have been using police misconduct and police brutality as a tactic against minorities. Now, Bbones/Hosty is here to defend the FPPD. I think bringing this problem to light was very wise of Carl/Forest Park Review. Hopefully, the FPPD will be held accountable through civil courts and through you the public. It is familiar territory in a sense because it has gone on for a long time since 2003 (I can recall). I had a neighbor once who lived in a gray house in back of the police station, she told me she could hear screams and would occasionally see someone getting beat through her window. This sends chills up my spine.

    The territory of torture, racism and abuse is an all to familiar territory. Its an ugly history of America. One many have tried to change with a great deal of success (a few bad officers in FPPD is the exception).

    By Anonymous frazier, at 4:51 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • Carl, have you heard anything regarding yesterday's hearing? Will you be posting it?

    AuntB, wassup for Easter? HarkPosty have a Happy Easter you too Carl.

    By Anonymous frazier, at 5:21 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • Actually, I meant HarkMosty - I hope you and your family have a Happy Easter. You are always in my prayers (stregnth to you), you too Carl.

    Bbones shout out to you. I'm sure we will be gabbing over the weekend. Try to get some sleep. Loose the anger so we can read your posts, read posts thoroughly so you can comprehend the important matters.

    By Anonymous frazier, at 5:26 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • Right back at ya Fraz baby? Think I'm goin to big Mamma's house. She gets down with her cooking. Check ya out later Carl - Happy Easter or whatever you celebrate.

    By Anonymous auntbsmayberry, at 5:31 PM, April 14, 2006  

  • Has KG ever had a complaint logged on him?

    Happy Easter all. I hope this holiday helps us all remember who truely suffers for us.

    By Anonymous bbones, at 12:55 AM, April 15, 2006  

  • I don't think you really understand. If you have listened to Jim Ryan testify you would have heard how many times different officers have complained and Jim Ryan has never received the complaint. It happens with regularity. He either does not know what is going on in the department or he does know and lies about his knowledge.

    Get one thing straight. If Jim Ryan acts properly on all these complaints and starts to weed out the officers who abuse their power by committing police brutality who loses. Jim Ryan loses because as the Chief he should not let this happen. He knows he will be held accountable and will lose his job.

    Mayor Calderone will be accountable for hiring a Police Chief who allows police brutality to start and continue and will end up paying out huge sums of money in civil suits.

    If Calderone and Ryan pretend there is no brutality then they have the best chance of everything going away and returning to the status quo. They know it takes tenacity to find a lawyer who will take a case. They then have to scrape up money for a retainer. They have to indure the long arduous process of the civil courts.

    My point is that Calderone and Ryan intentionally pretend that police brutality does not exist, because to acknowledge that it does exist only calls for their resignations.

    They are not that stupid.

    By Blogger harkmosty, at 6:52 AM, April 15, 2006  

  • Cicero settles suit by man with epilepsy for $102,000

    By Joseph Ruzich
    Special to the Tribune
    Published April 12, 2006

    The Cicero Town Board approved a $102,000 settlement at Tuesday's meeting for a resident who alleged police used excessive force on him while he was having an epileptic seizure in 2003.

    "The town settled the case in what the town thought was the most equitable and yet financially responsible way on behalf of Cicero taxpayers," said Cicero spokesman Dan Proft. The plaintiff, Richard Biedrzycki, will receive $32,000 after legal fees, Proft said.

    Biedrzycki sued after suffering the seizure in his apartment living room July 7, 2003. During the incident, his friends and neighbors called Metro Paramedic Services Inc.

    After emergency personnel were unable or unwilling to carry Biedrzycki from his apartment, paramedics Anthony Geiger and Joseph Winkler called Cicero police for assistance.

    Court records indicate that Officers Rhonda Gross, Jason Stroud, James Kosenesky and Richard Ramirez subdued Biedrzycki by handcuffing and spraying pepper spray in his face. Biedrzycki alleges that officers then grabbed him by the hands and feet and dragged him head-first down two flights of stairs, injuring his head.

    Biedrzycki claims Stroud again sprayed him with pepper spray as he was dragged downstairs. He spent several days in MacNeal Hospital in Berwyn, where he was admitted to the intensive care unit.

    Afterward, he was transferred to Cook County Jail. A police report written by Stroud and Kosenesky indicates Biedrzycki was charged with aggravated battery.

    Proft said the case was one of 147 inherited from the previous administration. But all officers are still on the Cicero police force, and Proft said he doesn't believe disciplinary action was taken against the officers.

    Copyright © 2006, Chicago Tribune

    Interesting to see Cicero Police Officer Rhonda Gross is the sister of Forest Park Officer Ken Gross. I guess the apples never fall from the tree.

    By Blogger harkmosty, at 7:12 AM, April 15, 2006  

  • Not only is Rhonda Gross a pro police brutality officer but so is their father Clarence Gross, so why wouldn't little Kenny share the same sentiment. I catch on pretty quickly. TG Jeanine is a lawyer with a set of balls. TG, Ed and his mother were not afraid to speak out and speak for their civil rights. TG they didn't let people like Bbones scare them away.

    Bbones, Jesus said what you do for the least of these you do for me. Here he was discussing children, poor people, widows, homeless people (homeless like the man your friend Mike Murphy beat). Jesus did not just say help the upper crust caucasion people. Yes, I do remember why he suffered and I am vigilant upon protecting the least of these. I am vigilant about speaking out for human rights and suffering. This is a great cause different from being a suck up to a local Mayor for personal gains. Try being an advocate for those that have less than you, this is a noble idea one you can never comprehend.

    God bless Harder, Johnson and their families. They spoke out against police brutality in attempts to protect the "least of these" and have endured mockery from the very community they protected. These officers are true heroes. I know it and I thank them.

    By Anonymous respectrights, at 8:33 AM, April 15, 2006  

  • HarkMosty, I believe the reason FP police brutality continues is not only because of Jim Ryan covering it up but also because of the procedures required to report police brutality. The victims of police brutality are too afraid to go to the police station and fill out a complaint form. I was told that when you fill out the complaint form an officer has to talk to you. I could just imagine this victim saying Oh God, here comes the pro police brutality's buddy. How does one overcome these policy hinderances? Should FP consider implementing a more "victim friendly" complaint procedure? Should this even be handled through the police department?

    The other part to this is that once the so-called lame "internal investigation" is complete, then what? Where does that go? Are copies of the internal lame investigation report sent to the Cook County State's Attorney? Or is it a nothingless piece of paper that is filed in Jim's drawers, in case the State pays him a visit? Is Jim required to forward a copy of the report to the State?
    Is this the loophole in the procedure that is not getting done and that is why these incidents are swept under the rug?

    As you said before Calderone and Ryan are not stupid. Pompous-yes, corrupt-yes, stupid-no.

    By Blogger respectrigths, at 8:54 AM, April 15, 2006  

  • Here is the Gross police family tree

    Illinois Police & Sheriff's News
    Cicero's Kind of Cops


    IPSN Newspaper, May 18, 1997
    (C) Combined Counties Police Association, All Rights Reserved

    Town President Betty Loren-Maltese presented congratulatory resolutions to two Cicero police officers recently, citing them as “examples” of the kind of police officer she hopes to have running her “new” police force someday. Loren-Maltese has dumped police chiefs faster than Jane Byrne, ousting Emil Schullo last year in a political takeover of the Town, and then replacing him two times since, first by Stephen Zalas, and then by Clarence Gross.

    Zalas was pressured to resign, and Gross was ousted. His ouster camein the wake of an investigation into his role in the alleged beating of an incarcerated suspect wanted in the harassment of his daughter, Rhonda Gross.

    Zalas and Gross were handpicked by Loren-Maltese to head the police department, and their failure falls directly in her own lap.

    Gross, who police sources said injured his hand in the alleged beating of Tony Dehoyos, retired from the Police force two weeks after his promotion to “top cop.” He was named to a newly created post of director of Internal Services and deputy liquor commissioner, the position that Betty held many years ago as a lackey for Frank “Baldy” Maltese.

    Gross was not replaced and the post of Police Chief is still vacant, awaiting a blue ribbon replacement, probably to be filled by Ed “The Godfather” Vrdolyak who controls Cicero’s politics.

    Rumor on the street is that Vrdolyak will orchestrate the appointment of Bill Hanhardt, the controversial former Chicago police honcho criticized because of his friendships to Chicago mobsters.

    Hanhardt testified once for the defense in the Las Vegas trial of Tony “The Ant” Spilotro. And when they found the body of slain mob associate Allen Dorfman years ago, the only prominent police name in his telephone book was Hanhardt’s.

    Sun-Times columnist Mike Sneed reported April 25 that Loren-Maltese is interviewing a retired veteran of the Chicago Police Department as an interim police chief. “He reportedly is an expert on organized crime.”

    Word is that the new chief will have inside knowledge on the mob. If Hanhardt’s the man, he just might be up Cicero’s alley.

    The responsibilities of the now vacant Police Chief spot are shared by Lenny Rutka, deputy superintendent of patrolmen, and Dave Hatton, deputy superintendent of detectives and tactical units. Rutka is considered competent and able to handle the post if given the chance. Not a lackey, however, and considered to be “too honest” for the Loren-Maltese administration, he won’t get it.

    By now, the question of what kind of cop Betty wants in Cicero may be a mute point.

    But she did offer a clue when she presented awards recently to two police officers for apprehending an alleged felony rape suspect on February 7.

    One of the officers commemorated was Big Dan Wolff, who happens to be one of Betty’s precinct volunteers in the Town Republican Organization of Cicero.

    Said the gushing Loren-Maltese, who has been busy these days dumping good cops from her police force and replacing them with her political supporters, “These two are examples of what our police officers should be. They represent the majority of men on our police force who are good policemen.”

    What the blushing Loren-Maltese forgot to mention was that Wolff, in addition to being one of her neighbors, also was arrested and indicted on charges of gambling, operating a bingo game without a license with Betty’s late husband, mob bookie Frank “Baldy” Maltese.

    Wolff and “Baldy” were each charged with two counts of gambling and two counts of operating a bingo game without a license by the Illinois Department of Revenue.

    Where’s the Cicero News Media?

    In the alleged Dehoyos affair, observers in Cicero said they are not surprised the incident was hushed up and was not reported in the Berwyn-Cicero Life Newspapers, which is owned by the father of Cicero’s State Rep. Jack Kubik. Despite efforts to remain aloof of Cicero’s troubles, Kubik relies on Cicero’s powerful GOP backing to win re-election each year.

    And, Betty named the “El Dia” newspaper as her official “Hispanic paper,” which is owned and managed by the Montes-de-Oca family, who worked as precinct captains for Betty’s GOP team.

    El Dia is the chief recipient of advertising dollars from the Town. It’s editor is also the Cicero Town Sealer.

    What doesn’t see the light of day in the Bewyn-Cicero Life or the El Dia, does get twisted into news by Betty’s political newspaper, the twice monthly Observer, which is published and managed by Vince M. Iaccino III.

    Better known as “Poppers” because of an incident in 1988 when he allegedly drugged and sexually molested a 17 year old Cicero boy, Iaccino takes the bad news and mulches it into positive blather.

    Vince receives a salary from both the Town of Cicero as an aide to the Town President and editor of the town’s “Kids News” newsletter, and a salary from the Town Republican Organization of Cicero, which pays for the Observer’s printing and distribution.

    When controversy does make it beyond this tight news grip of the Life-El-Dia-Observer, it is handled by Dave Donahue, Betty’s official press spokesman.

    Donahue also handles politics out in Orland Park where his Cicero ties are kept hush-hush for fear of a political backlash.


    Return to the Cicero Web Page

    Makes a decent citizen proud. Is that right Commish?

    By Blogger harkmosty, at 9:10 AM, April 15, 2006  

  • A Comish and Mayor would advocate for racism and police brutality. What a fatal combination to have in a police force, let alone a community. Nice family tree Gross has. No wonder Comish H and Calderone are so quick to defend Gross. Possible mob ties? Calderone hires Gross as a favor to the mobster dad Clarence, what a conspiracy. Believe me, I didn't for one minute buy the BS, the Comish was throwing out of Kenny being the top boyscout in his field. He screwed up big time. The FPPD is going through detox, intervention has been suggested, but just like alcoholics although they know they have a problem - deny, deny, deny.

    What now Bbones...As mentioned before the FP closet is now opened and the dirty rotten smelly bones are coming out for all to see.

    By Anonymous respectrights, at 10:16 AM, April 15, 2006  

  • I am not a Village Official.
    Reformado broke the law.
    Reformado fought with patrons and employees of a bar.
    Reformado was involved in a STREET FIGHT.
    Reformado punched and kicked police officers.
    Why do you people defend this street punk?

    By Anonymous bbones, at 5:16 PM, April 15, 2006  

  • Nobody deserves to have an officer use excessive force no matter what they are accused of doing. You are missing the point, it is going way over your head Mark. Nobody should have their civil rights violated by a police officer. You are more interested in what you consider crimes against Ed, then the crimes against humanity done by the very officers that are suppose to protect the public. When an officer crosses the line and violates are civil rights, then that is a punishable crime against the officer.

    Why do you continue to defend a bunch of thug officers? Why do you continue to bash the victims of police brutality and fend for a police department that has had issues for over 3 years? If you are not an official, what is your agenda? Do you know Ed, why do you call him a punk? What is your reasoning for name calling? Why are you angry, that we do not agree with an officer using excessive force. What is your problem? Earlier posters have identified that your FPPD has issues and problems, why aren't you addressing those as well. Why specifically Ed. Do you not like Latinos?

    By Blogger respectrigths, at 6:13 PM, April 15, 2006  

  • Mark, the crimes you accuse Ed of doing, have already been heard in a Court of law (as stated by the Review) so get over them. According to the Review, he was not even charged with the fractions that you have listed. The topic here is excessive force and police brutality used by Ken Gross and the legal action against Forest Park.

    Stay on topic, your rants are just going in circles with no signifant meaning to anyone other than yourself. You will not change my opinion and I will not change yours. So if you want to add anything regarding legal action in Forest Park be my guest. If you want to talk about your boyscout friend, write a letter to the Review and maybe they'll consider printing it. You are trying to un-tarnish your friend's reputation on this forum. That is not what this is about.

    By Blogger respectrigths, at 6:27 PM, April 15, 2006  

  • I know no one in the police department. I am not a village official. I do not think Reformado was treated in an abusive manner when he was arrested for his CRIMES. I am not angry. I wish people would take responsibility for their own actions. Reformado and his family have decided to deflect responibility on the FP PD because the kid got drunk and got in a few fights. Shame on them.

    By Anonymous bbones, at 10:47 PM, April 15, 2006  

  • Thank god this village has a 3-2 vote block against the insurgents who attempt to right a wrong. Word on the street is Reformando got his charges reduced because of some inside connection in court. Sounds like this is really a stand up kid, underage drinking, smacks a cop, gets charges reduced and than to top it off files a suit against the village!

    Best yet those who are anti police try to make a case of police brutality? Why? Because they have no respect for proper police authority. They have no respect for reasonable force used to affect an arrest.

    No it's too easy to scream Brutality Excessive Force and all the usual sarcasism found with insurgents.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:51 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • How coincidental Jeanine Stevens is representing Reformando. Just how did these two connect with one another?

    Jeanine Stevens is representing Dan Harder and Steve Johnsen and now Reformando.

    Ambulance chasing is probably the best way to describe the way Jeanine Stevens is blood sucking the Village of Forest Park. I hope the village does not cave in to the unethical behavior of this attorney.

    I wonder what her other client list looks like.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:15 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • We need to stop the infilitration of the transgretions of attorny's like Jeanine Stevens they are like the shark in Jaws.

    By Anonymous dem buster, at 3:19 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • Now, attack the attorney that has to clean up your dirty work. Typical of the evil that continues to lurk within our police department and of some of the new posters. Bbones since you are the Mayor's recon send him this message, certain FP residents are tired of his behind the scene deals, his unethical decisions, illlegal campaign contributions, his lack of police department management, his denial of injustice.

    Bbones and the Mayor you have deflected your responsiblities of not allowing for justice to be done on the officers that use excessive police force, you are advocating for this in our community. You are putting the blame on Reformado and his family -shame on you. Your incidents date back to 2000, nothing to do with Reformado or his family but more like the few police officer in our FPPD that are really bad they give the good ones a bad name.

    I am an FP resident, I'm not racial but I have seen it with my own eyes and have noted how certain bad cops are able to get away with unscrupulous behavior.

    By Anonymous longtimefpres, at 7:35 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • Now, attack the attorney that has to clean up your dirty work. Typical of the evil that continues to lurk within our police department and of some of the new posters. Bbones since you are the Mayor's recon send him this message, certain FP residents are tired of his behind the scene deals, his unethical decisions, illlegal campaign contributions, his lack of police department management, his denial of injustice.

    Bbones and the Mayor you have deflected your responsiblities of not allowing for justice to be done on the officers that use excessive police force, you are advocating for this in our community. You are putting the blame on Reformado and his family -shame on you. Your incidents date back to 2000, nothing to do with Reformado or his family but more like the few police officer in our FPPD that are really bad they give the good ones a bad name.

    I am an FP resident, I'm not racial but I have seen it with my own eyes and have noted how certain bad cops are able to get away with unscrupulous behavior.

    By Anonymous longtimefpres, at 7:35 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • I doubt a 19 year old has any connection with the courts. My understanding is that the Courts issued their charges and fines. Courts are not easily swayed like a Mayor, Commissioner, detective, or officer. You are insulting the judicial system. Word on the street is that your Chief and Mayor do nothing about your police brutality incidents and misconduct instead they chose to cover it up. Word on the street is that these incidents are racially motivated. Word on the street is that you have had incidents going back since 2000. Word on the street is that more people are looking into these so called mishaps.

    Now, realtiy being what it is you are cop trying to cover this up.
    No one is anti police. We are merely saying the FPPD has a problem with a few officers. Your point as anonymous is to slander lawyers, judges, Reformado and his family. I see a pattern Mr. Officer. Respect has always been a 2 way street, if an officer uses his authority for evil, then I'd say he doesn't deserve respect but should be removed from the force immediately. This is for the public's safety.

    Now try to have a happy Easter. Confessional boxes are available for those that have to get something of their chest. The truth is very liberating for some.

    By Anonymous frazier, at 7:48 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • If Calderone and his crew thinks for a second that the general public agrees with his ways of conducting business and the condition of his police department he is in for a sad awakening.

    This next election will prove what a blunder Calderone has made. It will cost him his position. That means the people who are close to Calderone will also lose their positions.

    The condition of the police department will be the reason he loses. Stop and talk with people. They are outraged. It is only going to get worse.


    By Blogger harkmosty, at 8:23 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • Mark Posty, Rather than some mysterious political connection maybe the charges were dropped because they were trumped up in the first place and good old fashion common sense prevailed as it should have in the courtroom. Also, God is with a capital G you and transgressions is spelled this way. You have to know how ignorant you are suggesting that the Court was swayed by a 19 year old with a fake ID. What is your proof? More accusations that cannot be verified.

    I happen to know a few of your officers and think they are great so don't turn this into an anti-police propaganda agenda.

    Also, why would Ms. Stevens be unethical for representing Reformado? What are you saying that lawyers are not free to represent clients only a certain kind? And Dem Buster, hang on to your blue hat, and blue polyester shirt, I'm republican. As a republican, I don't like little local government covering up for their indiscretions and using my wallet as the cash cow paying off unnecessary attorney bills. I would rather have them deal with the problem the right way, so this doesn't happen again.

    Food for thougth: If a pro police brutality mindsent didn't exist than why would the Chief of Police cover up the problem as mentioned in other Review articles. The beating of Sidney Hooks should have been reported to the State. Read all the articles, then ask yourself why would the Village give a homeless man $25,000. If you like "footing the Village's liability bill" as mentioned previously, than maybe you should give Forest Park your personal checkbook. Your representation by Storino is not free.

    By Anonymous proudrepublican, at 9:28 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • What kind of a retard blames Ms. Stevens for representing anyone. This is typical of Calderone supporter thinking.

    By Blogger harkmosty, at 10:11 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • Commissioner Hosty never answered the question: What does he have against Latinos? The unanswered question is the answer.

    I already know.

    By Anonymous in the know, at 10:23 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • I have yet to see any proof whatsoever that the Mayor and Police Chief are covering up anything. What I have read is the unfounded writings, this I believe is being done by those persons on the side of several malcontendents.

    I am a cop and proud to be one, we have refrained from standing up for our great police department because of the current hearing.

    Those on trial currently have been abusing the system for way too long and we now and finally have a Police Chief thank God who is standing up to him.

    The whole notion that this Reformando arrest is racial is a joke. Racial how the kid looks most like an Italian, how is this racial?

    Whan cases go to court the influnce is many times not brought by the offender but by those who the offender knows.

    We are pretty certain that is what happened. Reformando didn't put the fix in someone else did it for him.

    By Anonymous dem buster, at 10:35 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • HarkMosty, You are right Calderone's few supporters will lose their positions and possibly the ghost payroll as well. This is because their loyalty has been purchased. I wonder what the price of giving up a soul is worth these days?

    By Anonymous frazier, at 10:36 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • Dem Buster, what you are saying is you are proud to be a stand up cop that doesn't believe in the judicial system, that its all about who you know. Lets see bad cops wouldn't stay in their position because of who they know, would they. No all cops are stand up, right. Even if they have to beat a minority, homeless or anyone else that they feel don't deserve to breathe the same air. Do you see a problem with your thinking? YOU ARE NOT THE JUDICIAL SYSTEM. The reason you have a job in the first place, is to make sure that the alleged offender gets to Court. The judicial system handles the rest. Which by the way is proven to be more ethical than some men in blue. No just do your job effectively, that is all the public is asking for. After all part of your pension and salary are paid by us tax paying FP residents.

    By Anonymous proudrepublican, at 10:42 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • Whan cases go to court the influnce is many times not brought by the offender but by those who the offender knows.

    We are pretty certain that is what happened.

    HOW ARE YOU CERTAIN? There is not "pretty certain", what are your facts? If any??

    By Anonymous proudrepublican, at 10:47 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • A question of proof as to whether Ryan or Mayor is covering up police brutality.

    Has the Mayor or Ryan handed over to the Cook County's State's Attorny "Internal Investigations" into the Sidney Hooks beating or the sexual harrassment complaints. If the answer is no, there is your proof of cover up. Now, what is your proof of a judicial systemt that favors a minority 19 year old male.

    Dem Buster, do you really believe your Mayor has influence over the judge? Are you that naive...??

    By Anonymous proudrepublican, at 10:52 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • I heard your great police chief refuses to be videotaped during his testimony. What's up with that there. He sounds like a coward.

    By Blogger harkmosty, at 10:56 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • This whole blog board is absent any fatcs whatsoever. None. Inuendo is they only basis for all the comments here.

    Let's see crooked cops, bad mayor, goast payroll, lackies, you name it. This is the only cockamamie bs that festers the wrong doiers who are trying to make it right.

    Reformando was wrong, he got caught and no the wrong doiers try to say excessive force, and now racial wrongdoing.

    Come on, this is not Rodney King all over, this is a kid who did wrong punched the shit out of cop almost placing him unconcious and to affect the arrest which was very proper the cops get blamed.

    Harder has been scamming our department for years and now a professional Police Chief gets blamed, come on. Many of us have had to sit there during the hearings, where's the wife? No where in sight only the girlfriend who happens to be a cop. What's wrong with this picture.

    Quit trying to stand up for your insubordinate buddies and girlfriend.

    They are plauging our police department which is in the best of shape it has been in many many years.

    I don't always agree with our Mayor but he has made the right decision's for our police department the best was hiring Chief Ryan, he's a cops cop and a professioanal on top of it all.

    We know we work for him.

    By Anonymous dem buster, at 11:03 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • Like I said the proof is lacking at every step.

    Where is your proof that the Hooks file was not turned over? You don't have any do you?

    Where is your proof that there was wrong doing? You don't have any do you?

    Heresay is all that you have don't you?

    By Anonymous dem buster, at 11:06 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • Our Chief has refused to be video taped because the video taping is done by a partisian wierdo who is staging his groupies to run for political office.

    If the taping was required by law he most certainly would comply. But is is not and the refusal is completely authorized by the Board of Fire and Police Commission.

    The video guy is attempting to portray himself as a do gooder when in fact he is overtly building his political machine taping every thing he can so that he can cut and paste video's to his advantage. We know the game and thank God the law does also, otherwise the taping would be mandatory.

    By Anonymous dem buster, at 11:15 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • Frazier said...

    The problem is with a few cops.

    You are right.

    One of them is on trial right now, his name is Dan Harder.

    By Anonymous dem buster, at 11:16 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • Bbones, Dem Buster, MarkPosty, and any other alter egos, your insinuations that Reformando may know the judge that dropped his charges are ridiculous. A judge that knows the law would recuse himself. If you are a policeman Demmy, you should learn the law. A judge is not on the FP payroll although some here are.

    I assume your lack of response is due to your lack of facts. How twisted can you really be???

    By Anonymous frazier, at 11:22 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • Again, where are your facts????

    Dem Buster/Bbones said.

    We are pretty certain that is what happened.

    By Anonymous frazier, at 11:24 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • When you say Ryan is a cops cop that means he is the type of cop that looks the other way when cops do wrong. He covers up for them.

    Here is a perfect example in an Officer who spent time in the Navy and now a cop. His name is Nick Kozak and he a typical fake tough guy cop.

    He is the guy who is accused of brutalizing the Wrigleyville Rapist while he was handcuffed and in the back of a squad car.

    Kozak sounds like a real tough guy right. I admit who would not want to smack the guy around but professional police officers are not suppose to let their emotions take over. I guess Kozak learned that technique while he was in the Navy.

    So the cops cop Ryan says that the lady beat up the rapist prior to him being arrested. So this is what Ryan and Kozak want you to believe that a man will admit to raping numerous women. He will admit to using various weapons. He confesses to all this knowing he will spend the rest of his remaining years behind bars and yet lie that a Forest Park cop with a crewcut beat the shit out of him while he was handcuffed in the back of a squad.

    If Calderone, Ryan, Hosty and Kozak think people believe that bullshit then they are unethical and should resign immediately. People with common sense see the truth.

    Pathetic eh.

    By Blogger harkmosty, at 11:25 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • Quit trying to stand up for your insubordinate buddies and girlfriend.

    Sorry, I have no insubordinate buddies or girlfriend.

    Who's doing the blame game? Attorney, corrupt judges, Harder Reformado and his family, girlfriends, buddies, homeless, my mamma, your mamma...what else. You've stated your twisted opinion, now what? What do you want? What are you looking for? Who do you think you are talking to? I'm not Doolin, Carl, Harder, girlfriends, crooked judges, Reformado, Reformado's family and neither are the other people posting here. Where are just people that are fed up with the FPPD policies. We want to see them acknowledged and changed.

    Now what facts do you have of a crooked judge favoring a 19 year old Latino male. Please let us know so it can be brought to the Judge's attention at once.

    By Anonymous frazier, at 11:34 AM, April 16, 2006  

  • Tom Bilyk, Assistant Cook County State's Attorney stated, he did not know anything regarding the Michael Murphy/Sidney Hooks case. He further stated, he did not have the files in their computer system or actual files for review and that the State is suppose to receive copies of the internal investigation... Now, why do you suppose he did not have the files?

    Furthermore, if the incident occured within less than a 3 year period, then there is nothing that can be done.

    Wow, it seems that FPPD just made that window of opportunity. Now, that you know I know files were not sent to the State, what proof do you have of a crooked judge or someone knowing somebody not related to Harder, gilfriends, Reformado, and attorneys.

    Recon man, go see your Chief and Mayor ask for proof of files being sent to the State before you post anymore nonsense and fallacies. As said by Frazier, this public forum is not buying the Ryan/Calderone lies (oh I meant cover ups) any longer.

    BTW, Give Mr. Bilyk a call you can save him a dime, since he was going to call your Chief as well.

    By Anonymous proudrepublican, at 12:22 PM, April 16, 2006  

  • proudrepublican,

    I'm sure the Chief would welcome his call.

    The question is why hasn't he called sooner?

    In terms of the Wriglyville rapist what facts do you have to prove Kozak beat him up?

    Professionally trained paramedics stated in writing that the wounds that Krushank had were consistant with the type of wounds that would have presented themselves with what the victum stated she caused to him while he was trying to rape her. Yes she did try to defend herself while he had a ice pick attempting to do bodily harm to her.

    Sorry this piece of crap rapist did not want to admit that in the moment of rage the women fought back and caused wounds to the rapist. What a shame that a victum would stand up for herself and fight back.

    I wonder if this was your girlfriend or wife if you would still be taking the same postion.

    Maybe she should have offered the rapist a cup of coffee before she beat the shit out of him.

    Poor, poor rapist

    By Anonymous dem buster, at 1:06 PM, April 16, 2006  

  • If Cheif Ryan wanted to retaliate against those who brought suit against Chief Pope where is Kaines and Frawley?

    Why are they not being charged with anything?

    It's because your stupid idea and claim that it is retaliation is false.

    Nice try though

    By Anonymous dem buster, at 1:11 PM, April 16, 2006  

  • And proudrepublican, maybe you could do us all a favor and provide us with the citation or law that requires the internal investigations to be sent to the state?

    Can you do that?

    By Anonymous dem buster, at 1:14 PM, April 16, 2006  

  • Again, where are your facts????

    Dem Buster/Bbones said.

    We are pretty certain that is what happened.

    11:24 AM

    Where's your proof of a crooked Judge? Again, with the anger.

    By Anonymous frazier, at 1:30 PM, April 16, 2006  

  • You are a disgrace to your profession and the oath you took. You are typical of what is wrong with law enforcement and particularly a disgrace with what is wrong in the FP police department.

    To bad you only shot yourself in the leg instead of your head.

    By Blogger harkmosty, at 1:30 PM, April 16, 2006  

  • I answered your question Demmy: Where is your proof that the Hooks file was not turned over? You don't have any do you?

    Now answer mine.

    Again, where are your facts????

    Dem Buster/Bbones said.

    We are pretty certain that is what happened.

    11:24 AM

    Where's your proof of a crooked Judge? Again, with the anger.

    By Anonymous proudrepublican, at 1:35 PM, April 16, 2006  

  • Does Reformado have an aunt that is a judge? I heard that and it makes sense knowing his charges were reduced.

    By Anonymous bbones, at 10:26 PM, April 16, 2006  

  • That still is a ridiculous remark to make. If the judge knew Ed, he would have to recuse himself. Did you not hear? Do you not know the law? Who is his aunt? Where is she a judge at? Maybrook? Again, ridiculous accusations with no proof to back up any of it. I checked all the judges last names, I didn't see any that said Reformado. You are an obvious joke.

    How do you heard anything? Are you a sheep herder, or just a crazy man with a lot of time on his hands. Most of which you spend defending a crooked Mayor.

    By Anonymous proudrepublican, at 8:10 AM, April 17, 2006  

  • These are Bbones stories and fallacies: Michael Murphy is a commendable officer, never beat a man, this is all in your head. FPPD does not have a problem with police brutality. Everyone got what they deserved.

    Maybrook has crooked judges that know a 19 year old Latino male and put a good word in for him so charges were dropped. Judges that would throw their 30 something year career down the toilet for some kid. Someone call the FBI, we have crooked judges.

    Harder and his buddies are out to get the Chief, a cops cop. That's why they are getting fired, he is such a cops cop.

    Harder knew Reformado, they planned this scheme and Stevens the attorney is unethical for having them both on her client list.

    Where is Harder's wife, why hasn't she said anything. Like she would want to talk to you. I believe she did and said she knew where her husband was and who he is, now get bent.

    You already know what you are so its no use telling you. I just think the Mayor could of use someone with more of a spine to spread his lies. I'll say it again save your writing nobody here buys your bullshit or the Mayors.

    By Anonymous proudrepublican, at 8:29 AM, April 17, 2006  

  • The sky is fallin chicken little grab onto your ankles and kiss your ass goodbye.

    By Anonymous auntbsmayberry, at 8:30 AM, April 17, 2006  

  • bbones said...
    Does Reformado have an aunt that is a judge? I heard that and it makes sense knowing his charges were reduced

    Where is your proof that Reformado has an aunt who is a judge? Do you have a family tree with birth certificates? Shouldn't you inform the judge of his crooked decision. You are a joke. LOL

    By Anonymous proudrepublican, at 8:43 AM, April 17, 2006  

  • Bbones/HarpPosty said
    Heresay is all that you have don't you

    IS THIS NOT CONSIDERED HEARSAY BBONES COMING FROM YOUR MOUTH. With no proof to back it up, I say that this is hearsay.

    Bbones/HarkPosty said
    I heard that and it makes sense knowing his charges were reduced.

    People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

    By Anonymous frazier, at 9:18 AM, April 17, 2006  

  • Fraz, did you tell Bbones about Ed's gramma Sandra Day O'Connor. What about his papa Clarence Thomas or how about his mamma Nora Slatkin?

    You so funny! You just kill me (remember, this is only an expression put away the tasers)!!

    By Anonymous Black Pit, at 12:44 PM, April 17, 2006  

  • Frazier, Proudrepublican, Auntbsmaybeery, HarkMosty,

    I think the 4 of you should start a band of confederate amigo's to lay claim to the wrongfull acts of those that break the law and then all of you could be the fake attorneys and maybe make yourself some denaro, heck you could also call Stevens and maybe she will hire all of you.

    Go get a real life.

    By Anonymous Dem Buster, at 1:40 PM, April 17, 2006  

  • OK, THAT WAS REALLY A DUMB POST. It wasn't even funny. If your giving comedy a try, please don't give up your day jobs as crooks. You are doing really good at that.


    Learn the difference between truth and hearsay. Try attending some ethic classes.

    By Anonymous frazier, at 2:08 PM, April 17, 2006  

  • bbones, do you have a problem with the FPPD arresting Reformado for his "crimes" and allowing the courts to do their part?

    bbones, do you want cops beating people for traffic violations and fake IDs?

    By Blogger Carl Nyberg, at 2:43 PM, April 17, 2006  

  • This coming from a half of soul-less man who spends his life crawling in the dirt like a snake, kissing up to a wanna be Gambino Mayor, worming his way on websites to spread filthy evil lies about what really goes on. Expecting the public to be swallow the BS regarding FPPD's wrongdoing. Why, because you think you are better than the constituents you serve and they are not smart enough to figure what filthy crap we actually have in office.

    As AuntB said, we see right through you so don't let the door hit you in your ass, DUMBASS!

    By Anonymous proudrepublican, at 2:54 PM, April 17, 2006  

  • Kissing up to a whaaat? I don't kiss anybodys ass. Gambino wanna be just what do you mean by that?

    By Anonymous dem buster, at 3:18 PM, April 17, 2006  

  • Carl,
    Thank God, the courts used common sense as mentioned by proudrepublican and Ed was charged with what a judge felt to be fair and appropriate charges.

    One can only hope that a judge in Civil courts will be as fair.

    By Anonymous frazier, at 3:20 PM, April 17, 2006  

  • BTW, Carl, Bbones alterego Demi has now entered the building. Look out its return of the little man wanna be big man syndrome.

    By Anonymous frazier, at 3:22 PM, April 17, 2006  

  • Kissing up to a whaaat? I don't kiss anybodys ass. Gambino wanna be just what do you mean by that?

    He aint to concern bout lieing or being evil. Just let everyone know he don't kiss ass....haaaaaahaaaa.

    By Anonymous auntbsmayberry, at 3:30 PM, April 17, 2006  

  • I heard Brian had a sister, I didn't know it was you Mark. Your dad was good people, Brian was always a nice guy what happened to his alter ego brother? You expect me to be apathetic and lay down for government because you tell me you know what's best for me and what I should believe in. If I don't believe what you say about the FPPD than I am for the criminals. Nonsense, Mark. Just do things the right way. We do not need

    By Anonymous oldchum, at 3:55 PM, April 17, 2006  

  • I'll finish

    ...we don't need government running our lives and telling us what to think or that should we let government do our thinking for us. I'm not going to be penalized because I disagree with your opinion and vice-versa.

    Criminals, convicts, alleged offenders are not suppose to endure physical confrontations by police officers while in handcuffs. Period, end of story. What happened to you?

    By Anonymous oldchum, at 4:31 PM, April 17, 2006  

  • Carl,

    I have no problem with Reformado's arrest and subsequent adjudication. I do not think every person who is arrested needs to be arrested with physical force. Only the ones who activly resist and fight the police, like Reformado.
    Yes it is hearsay that he has an aunt that is a Judge in the Chicago area, it is also hearsay he was beat while in cuffs in the Police Department. I was just wondering if anyone knew of a relative who happened to be a judge. You are a moron to think all of Reformados relatives have the same last name. You are nieve if you do not think a relative would "Put in a good word" if they were in the position to do so.

    You folks are getting to be very entertaining with the belief that Village Officials are posting here. The only one might be Doolin but I doubt that as well.

    By Anonymous bbones, at 7:03 PM, April 17, 2006  

  • Easy Mark Posty,

    I was just wondering if anyone knew of a relative who happened to be a judge. Is this a real question, do you know of a relative who happens to be a judge? You are a moran. It is clear to all who is posting here. So tell me Mr. Magic Ball what is the judge's name? Bbones = Big Fool.

    All you have is hearsay, I herd this I herd that. None of it means shit. You are full of it boy are you full of it. WHAT A JOKE!

    By Anonymous proudrepublican, at 8:00 PM, April 17, 2006  

  • Carl,

    Funny how Bb said your articles are sensational journalism similar to the Enquirer but he can't wait to stick his pointy sherman peebody nose here to check out what you have to write. He bites his nails with anticipation of what you will say next, then goes back to his FPBoard to post all kinds of shit about you. Let's just say snake was too kind of a word for this LOSER.

    By Anonymous proudrepublican, at 8:04 PM, April 17, 2006  

  • Did your brother ever lose his girly lisp.

    By Anonymous oldchum, at 8:05 PM, April 17, 2006  

  • Another hearsay, Reformado actively resisted. This is common for an officer who uses excessive force to write in his report. This is hearsay because BB was not there to view it nor I. I will wait with much anticipation for the civil courts and for the facts/evidence to be disclosed.

    All of Bbones buddies can continue to discuss their version of this case but the only one that matters is a civil judge. You don't think Ed's family will put a good word in witht a civil judge, do you?

    By Anonymous frazier, at 8:12 PM, April 17, 2006  

  • I can tell you I know a judge. Judge Judy, she told me to say Hi Bbones. She said your posts should be turned into comic strips they have intrigue followed by extreme laughter. LOL


    By Anonymous JudgeJudy, at 8:21 PM, April 17, 2006  

  • I know a judge, he's watching you right now Bb, he will judge you with a wrath that is warranted for your poor behavior to your fellow brethren, you will be judge according to your deeds. You will reap what you sow.

    By Anonymous WatchandSee, at 8:27 PM, April 17, 2006  

  • I was just wondering if anyone knew of a relative who happened to be a judge. -- BPathetic

    If you fishin for info - no one here will give it to you. No one here can stand you. You should wonder your ass on outa here.

    You were given a list of judges, O'Connor or Thomas - pick one you jackass.

    By Anonymous auntbsmayberry, at 8:40 PM, April 17, 2006  

  • Ahh, you all a marvel with your wonderful, insightful and well thought out posts

    By Anonymous bbones, at 10:50 PM, April 17, 2006  

  • If we weren't sucker, you wouldn't be here...now why the hell are you here. Searchin for mo info to take to Mayor Quimby?

    By Anonymous auntbsmayberry, at 7:01 AM, April 18, 2006  

  • I thought we were looking for Andy from Mayberry.

    Maybe we should find AuntB and she could fix it all.

    By Anonymous pdoolin, at 8:53 AM, April 18, 2006  

  • No wonder our society is so screwed up, just look at some of the postings;

    Reformando does not need to have a judge with the same last name, in fact it doesn't even need to be close.

    Fix's happen all the time look what happened to me.

    This kid is from Franklin Park, Leydan Township home of Da Mayor Stevens any of this sounding familar.

    By Anonymous pdoolin, at 8:57 AM, April 18, 2006  

  • Yes its true Bbones cannot spell, but that is not his only shame. The postings do sound a bit luney. We just laugh at him. He is our source of entertainment. The jester in the room. Now, we know you are not pdoolin only a fignment of your imagination. Still funny though...you clown, you amuse me.

    No one cares where the kid is from Mark.

    By Anonymous MarkHosy, at 9:42 AM, April 18, 2006  

  • Leyden = Leyden
    familar = familiar
    intimidatiing = intimidating

    I thought we were looking for Andy from Mayberry

    Now, your just crazy,,,,a nerve was struck! You wish you had Andy, he was level headed.

    Did you call your buddy in blue to see where Ed lives because we happen to know your family. Idiot you are fighting people from Forest Park that disagree with your policy and you throw Ed's township into this. This shows your immature level, you are the "true" nerd that have always been. Now every once can see it.

    Can't handle the fact that you were called out on your hearsay BS theory, now you got to justify it with using the police to give out info on Ed.

    No wonder his parents are suing FP...And no idiot, I am not Stevens or Doolin, or Harder or Ed. I'm the person you use to hang out with in our friend's garage. I'm the person you grew up with and now see you as a pathetic sorry excuse of half a man. Go cry to the newspapers about this.

    By Anonymous MarkHosey, at 9:54 AM, April 18, 2006  

  • Where is your proof of a fix?

    Has Collins been notified?

    By Anonymous fpresident, at 10:12 AM, April 18, 2006  

  • No wonder our society is so screwed up, just look at some of the postings;

    You have contributed to some of the postings too. One can only imagine, based on your postings, how you have contributed to society. As posters here are so eagerly to write, no one takes you seriously.

    "Do as I say, not as I do".

    Yesterday, was a sad day for Governor Ryan, as quoted by many "no one is above the law", not Mayors, Chief of Police, Commissioner or police officers. Our courts will systematically return a true verdict of one's deeds. One shall see.

    By Anonymous proudrepublican, at 10:30 AM, April 18, 2006  

  • Don't be usin me fool to write your silly punk ass posts. This ain't a rerun of Revenge of the Nerds. You suppos to be civil come here talkin about our posters, fool that includes you - you shameful piece of crap. Civil is what you think you is, a piece of crap is what you are.

    AuntB can fix your ass - comon over here, that's Addison Township, let your fingers to the walkin' to AuntB's hookup and right hook. Here's my middle finger to lead the way.

    By Anonymous auntbsmayberry, at 11:11 AM, April 18, 2006  

  • MarkHosey,

    What do ya know about Posty? Can you break it down?

    By Anonymous auntbsmayberry, at 11:24 AM, April 18, 2006  

  • AuntB, there's nothing to know about a driftless nobody, trying to be a somebody.

    By Anonymous fpresident, at 11:40 AM, April 18, 2006  

  • I can see we still are getting nowhere with you Bbones. I also would like for you to please note the fact that the police uniform pants are polyester, so a BBONER can poke a slight bitty hole in the polyester stretch pants that they wear. That might explain why the pocket was torn.

    Anonymous said...
    Hope this costs Reformado's family a lot of money and that it is thrown out of court or Reformado has to pay. Has everyone forgotten he used a fake id to get into a bar and drink and then get thrown out and get into a fight on the street????????
    bbones said...
    Does Reformado have an aunt that is a judge? I heard that and it makes sense knowing his charges were reduced.

    Well, Anonymous, I mean Bbones oops! Commissioner, oh darn did it again. Useless,
    If his aunt is a judge and once again all accusations, I guess you answered you own question. You have so much anger toward this kid, for what? You are so ignorant; you’re an embarrassment to yourself, our community. If this kid had died, would that make you much happier person? Would you have said he deserved it? You’re missing the point. He’s not denying he entered a bar under age or the fact that he was in a confrontation. What he is asking is why was he beat and tasered several times and punched in the head several times. I guess you make up your own physical techniques has you approach a situation! I would just love to see what you would do in this situation Bbones. I would just sit back and see how you would have handled this. I guess you would have to answer the parents of some young kid (who made a bad choice) at the city morgue. You’re a really JACKA**!! Just like a majority of my neighbor, nothing but a puppet.

    By Anonymous black pit, at 12:07 PM, April 18, 2006  

  • We here are voters, maybe a title does not follow our names, maybe we didn't graduate from Harvard and maybe I don't sit in a posh office sipping mocha coffee everyday but I have the right to vote and will excercise that vote on election day. And when I see Comish Hosey, or Mayor Q on the ballots, I'll laugh as I pencil in their opponent's name. April 07 is not too far for me, I've already marked my calendar. To think you were voted in the first place disgust me.

    By Anonymous oldchum, at 1:42 PM, April 18, 2006  

  • Can you imagine Hosty yelling in the streets "Identity Thief". He is insane and his notion of being civil is just that. As mentioned earlier, he is considered to be spineless, less of man and is the big joke in town. I've never seen anyone cry over a domain name. His unfounded accusations of identity theft left the public wondering when the little men dressed in white were coming.

    By Anonymous ButterflyNet, at 4:26 PM, April 18, 2006  

  • Has anybody offered a concrete explanation of Reformado being connected? To whom is he connected? How?

    The cops are connected closely to the prosecutors office. The prosecutors have to work with the cops in case after case.

    This means the prosecutors are exceedingly reluctant to tangle with the cops.

    This is one reasons cops that engage in criminal assaults and criminal batteries rarely get prosecuted. For the State's Attorney to prosecute a cop there needs to be public outcry over the incident.

    This is the context of all allegations of abuses by cops. The prosecutors will bend over backwards to see the cops perspective.

    By Blogger Carl Nyberg, at 5:04 PM, April 18, 2006  

  • I tried asking bb for info, but he gave no concrete evidence. He just stated that it was hearsay. So hearsay it is. I'm not sure why he would even bring it up.

    I'm sure this wasn't a prosecution against a cop hearing. It was up to Ed's lawyer to defend him; obviously he did and the Judge did what was right. The State's Attorney must have had evidence that also determined this was not the case of battery to an officer but more like that of excessive force. He probably offered a plea in which Ed's lawyer probably agreed would be the best scenario. I'm not sure, one could only speculate.

    By Anonymous fpresident, at 5:17 PM, April 18, 2006  

  • The point is that there isn't a level playing field when cops use excessive force.

    The cops almost always get away with abusing their powers. Anyone who says differently is naive or a liar.

    By Blogger Carl Nyberg, at 5:20 PM, April 18, 2006  

  • The fact that bb has said Ed admitted to having a fake ID and being in a fight leads me to believe why would he lie about being hit in handcuffs. If as bb said his aunt threw in a fix for him it makes no sense to file a complaint. If it were me, I would walk away saying that was a close one and I'm lucky. Unless, there was another side to the story one different than what was mentioned in the cops report. If I knew for a fact that the cop used excessive force and violated my rights; then I would want everyone to know, so that it wouldn't happen to someone else or worse yet as PIT mentioned being an unidentified body at the County morgue.

    Despite, what bb has said, and believe me we have all read his posts...his logic does escape me. For one, he never mentioned Michael Murphy having problems Carl until you mentioned it and then he casually said the rapist (a terrible person) deserved what he got. While this maybe true it does not ring true with the law of the land. I just feel that bb is justifying brutality and it is wrong. No matter how or what the criminals are accused of doing.

    If he is the Commissioner, than shouldn't he keep this information and let it play out in courts? Shouldn't he be responsible as a figure head of Forest Park? I do have a problem with his behavior towards posters. Granted there seems to be hostile posters but he is the Commissioner of Forest Park. Hosty should act in a more responsible manner no matter what is thrown his way.

    By Anonymous fpresident, at 5:32 PM, April 18, 2006  

  • I guess we have the later part, liar.

    By Anonymous fpresident, at 5:34 PM, April 18, 2006  

  • Everyone posting here is a liar unless you are Edward.

    If you were not present you don't know the facts.

    You rely on the arrested liars word. How irresponsible.

    Notably, most of you had some prior contact with law enforcement which explains you anti police aggressivness.

    Calm down, Calm down

    By Anonymous JBWB, at 6:03 PM, April 18, 2006  

  • Carl, have you had prior police experience? I know I haven't. jbwb not everyone here is anti-police. Sorry to disappoint you, my brother is an officer. Even if he wasn't my brother, I say he is the best officer I know.

    As an American citizen, I am free to form my own opinion and chose not to believe what the Village and Commissioner Hosty are trying to feed me. I do not need to be forced fed and I am very calm thank you. Notice my sentences don't follow exclamation points.

    How can you say notably you all have had experience with officers? Shouldn't this be something that is proven? Notably and hearsay are words that really when it comes down to it, doesn't amount to a hill of beans.

    By Anonymous fpresident, at 6:19 PM, April 18, 2006  

  • How intriguing it is to always read can you prove it when I have been asking myself the same question which is can you prove it.

    This is nothing more than a he said she said game of semantics.

    This whole Reformado thread is merely a he said she said and nothing more than that.

    Carl starts the blog because he is mostly anti police, and trust me he is. ( if I say so it is isn't it?)

    Why is there any reason not to trust the police? Because a law breaking person said the police are bad? I question that assumption.

    Or should we say they are bad because Carl say's so? I don't buy that either.

    By Anonymous JBWB, at 6:31 PM, April 18, 2006  

  • Ok, first of all Carl has not said he is anti-police. I think its important here to distinguish fact from hearsay. Second of all, trusting you that these are Carl's feelings will not make it a fact. Unless you are Carl, then your statement is not true. Also, why should I lend any credibility to you? You are really on me about believing you, it's starting to be frightning. I don't know you so I'll end this sentence by saying who are you and why should I trust you as oppose to saying prove who you are?

    By Anonymous fpresident, at 6:39 PM, April 18, 2006  

  • I was having a little bit of difficulty understanding your post (admittingly). I never said I don't believe all police officers lie or are not telling the truth. I never told you that I only believe criminals or Carl. You certainly are making a lot of assumptions about me for not knowing me. You have no basis for this.

    By Anonymous fpresident, at 6:45 PM, April 18, 2006  

  • Thank God we live in America and there is a system of checks and balances. The trust and the truth is in the system and the system will work, although the wheel of justice grinds slowly, in the end the truth will come out in the courtroom.

    Even for the top guy of Illinois; the truth came out and justice prevailed. I trust in the system more than one man (who has issues)or officer.

    By Anonymous proudrepublican, at 6:53 PM, April 18, 2006  

  • FP Resident -- Momma always said be wary of the white sheet wearing man who says trust me. Ya know what I'm saying.

    By Anonymous auntbsmayberry, at 6:57 PM, April 18, 2006  

  • jbwb, Who's Edward? Is he posting here? Can you prove that?

    By Anonymous proudrepublican, at 7:00 PM, April 18, 2006  

  • AuntB, I want to know why jbwb would say we all believe what Carl says. I've checked your posts and a few others, did I miss something.

    By Anonymous fpresident, at 7:11 PM, April 18, 2006  

  • Child, pay that man no mind. Desperation does weird things to people. Makes them act Gooofy. We all know he ain't God handing over the ten comandments. Oldrep say he got issues. Leavem alone, maybe he'll get tired of talkin to his Sybil self.

    By Anonymous auntbsmayberry, at 7:13 PM, April 18, 2006  

  • Bbones asked...Where is your proof that the Hooks file was not turned over? You don't have any do you? (there was proof provided to your question Bbones)

    The very same person later is quoted as saying...How intriguing it is to always read can you prove it.

    I guess we shouldn't follow his lead. How dare us? LOL

    By Anonymous frazier, at 8:39 PM, April 18, 2006  

  • Fraz, oldrep, carl,harkmosty,fpres,evryone 'cept bb,

    Ya sooooooooooo crazy! Ya'll have a goodnight. I know ya'll gotta clean conscience, no problem catchin Zzs. U know who will be writin his natsy messages for us tonight to see in the mornin. Man can't sleep devils gots his mind. Nasty cockroach. Check ya out, say ya prayers, don't let the nasty cockroachbite. Check u later.

    By Anonymous auntbsmayberry, at 8:46 PM, April 18, 2006  

  • Wow,
    I don’t know where to begin.
    I will start by saying I am not Mark Hosty, Mayor Calderone or any other elected official in any municipality.

    The information I get and speak of in here can be found (Except Reformado’s blogg as he has decided to take it down for what ever reason) on this site and many others on the intrenet. In the Know asked me (850 am) “Where did you get martial arts training? You do not know what you are talking about. He has never had martial arts training. You are crazy.” This information came from Reformado’s blogg typed by him where he stated he was taking up ju-jitsu. Not my words Ed Reformado’s.

    ConcernedFPCitizens (1021am) Believe because the Mayor and I surf the net as similar times we are the same person. Ask a person that can check the IP addresses of those posting and they will assure you we are not the same person.

    Frazier asked (1039am) “Mr. Mayor, why did you say Ken Gross tasered Ed 3 times and the tasers were ineffective? Was this a report that crossed your desk?” I get the number three from the original text of Carl’s 1st post on this issue. There it stated the initial attempt to taser Reformado was ineffective. After some struggle, the officer had to ““Drive Stun” Reformado an unknown number of times in an attempt to get him to comply as I continued to yell for him to stop fighting and put his hands behind his back. The Taser did not seem to affect Reformado’s behavior”. From this statement I gave it a “3 Times” taser count. And again, I am not the Mayor.

    Well, I don't want to make this too long, soo,....

    By Anonymous bbones, at 11:30 PM, April 18, 2006  

  • I can't help but notice that some people just can't help but take Edison's word for what happened. When someone puts forward the officer's side it is pretty much put down as BS and yet the word of the intoxicated underage student is taken with more credibility.

    Now, from what witnesses have told me is that Edison and his friend stumbled into the bar, their word. Then proceeded to antagonize the DJ and bartender. After taking a shot of alcohol they then began a confrontation that prompted the bartender to climb onto the bar and point them out for ejection. Their resistance resulted in each of them getting forcibly removed by no less than 5 people each. Once outside, witness accounts I have heard back up Officer Gross's report.

    By Anonymous du stdnt, at 1:12 AM, April 19, 2006  

  • Bones, and Std --Std, you started out your sentence as such: Now, from what witnesses have told me

    When you start your statement of hearsay, who are your witnesses, did hear witnesses from both sides? Again, if someone tells you something is that not hearsay? All I'm saying is that you have no proof. And as far as proceeding to antagonize a DJ, other articles have stated that it was the DJ that said get the fuck off the speakers so who antagonized who? The DJ was upset that his speakers may have been damaged, this I can believe. So after you weed out witnesses you depend on facts, physical facts, from both the officer and Reformando.

    Once again I do not need to be forced fed your opinion. As far as Reformando's blog or statements made, I do not know this to be true. Again if what your are saying is true, maybe you can send me the whole article as opposed to just little statements that you decide to pick from. I believe if you do not bother to read the full article in its entirety it tends to lose the meaning or is taken out of context.

    You had the opportunity through your many postings to address the Mayor and you posting at the same time, so why bring it up now? As far as me believing everything Ed says, I don't. I believe everything I say. I am responsible for me. I say I don't believe you and the thought of you writing three or four paragraphs of why I should trust you and believe your hearsay to be the truth is just frightning, not facts, frightning. I hope you are not Commissioner H, as you could be viewed as a person who defends police brutality and other things. Those issues may tarnish your campaign.

    I have enjoyed my life as an FPresident, this community does have a lot to offer me and my family. My children have enjoyed baseball and other sports, picnics, and our wonderful park. So as a resident and voter, I would hope that the Mayor address the issue of police brutality with all seriousness. Not attempt to sweep it under the rug like what was reported with Officer Murphy.

    ...and if you are Commmissioner H, posting here, I believe you take away any chance of a fair or credible investigation.

    Also, Commissioner H, I do not like to be attacked for my beliefs.

    Once outside, witness accounts I have heard back up Officer Gross's report. Again, how does one here this unless, he is a public official in which case, he should not be publicizing this information until the results of the investigation has been given to all parties. It is my opinion, that this in itself is some kind of "fix".

    By Anonymous fpresident, at 6:58 AM, April 19, 2006  

  • Mornin All, 'cept u cockroach,

    Child, this ain't bout Ed. Hosey is just usin Ed. This is bout makin FP responsible for their actions for beatin regular citisens. LikeHarkMosty siad, if these police men beat so many people and FP admitted they had a problem, then the Mayor would have to pay all that money to the people the officers beat. Ain't no way Mayor C gonna do that. Nah, he gonna deny and use Ed as an example. U right they've already put a fix in the investigation. U just seen Comish H write about it.

    Sue the bastards Reformando family!

    By Anonymous auntbsmayberry, at 7:10 AM, April 19, 2006  

  • AuntB, I was not saying that this was about the Reformando family. I was just referring to how odd it is that a Commissioner would attack posters, me and anyone else that did not agree with his opinion; but like you said, the Mayor wouldn't want citizens to know police brutality exists in their department (for liability reasons). I understand that, however, so much time has been invested by Bbones or Commissioner Hosty to defend the Forest Park Police Department (few officers), with minimal effort/focus on how to keep the problem from reoccuring. It's not unlikely that a police department would have issues with excessive force, as pointed out Cicero is an example of that.

    I read Bbones/Hosty postings and it said the attorney Stevens was an insurgent, I thought that is an absurd remark to make. Stevens does not have a personal vendetta against Forest Park. She wouldn't even know Forest Park if it weren't for the sexual harrassment problem, they had a while back. Once again, bbones/Hosty making false statements, then says he does not like when people deflect their responsibility.

    I would have to say that goes ditto for us normal everyday citizes, who spend an awful lot of money through taxes paying for what we believe is an upstanding local government.

    By Anonymous fpresident, at 8:21 AM, April 19, 2006  

  • Bbones/Comish Hosty,

    Your own personal statement of Reformando being intoxicated cannot be proven either. No breathalizer, just a police officer that said I smelled alcohol. Smell alcohol and intoxication two different statements with different meanings, one is an opinion the other is usually proven.

    Folks, I cannot tell you how sad it is to see local government use this tool/Hosty to project its propaganda. Save the leaflets boyscout, go home, unless your lost. Then ask AuntB for directions.

    ...And AuntB, I am not an oldrepublican I am a proudrepublican.

    By Anonymous proudrepublican, at 8:30 AM, April 19, 2006  

  • Nice to see everyone's up so early. Sorry oldreppy, I mean proudreppy.

    By Anonymous auntbsmayberry, at 8:33 AM, April 19, 2006  

  • Bbones/du std, has problems sleepin told ya so.

    By Anonymous auntbsmayberry, at 8:34 AM, April 19, 2006  

  • 11:30 PM - The jester enters the room.

    By Anonymous frazier, at 9:21 AM, April 19, 2006  

  • Their resistance resulted in each of them getting forcibly removed by no less than 5 people each.

    This was not in the police reports, (according to the Review) are you throwing #s out again. 5 people each come on man, where do you get this crap from bb. Should the Review expect to read this in a report? Or will that report remain a mystery. hmmmmmmmmmmm

    By Anonymous proudrepublican, at 9:26 AM, April 19, 2006  

  • He said that Lt. Steve Weiler had been going into the Forest Park police department computer system to delete Harder’s tickets.

    What a freaking joke? Oh upstanding police man fixing each other's tickets. Is Lt. Weiler on the force? Was he elevated for saying he deleted Harder's tickets.

    Who's fixin what Bbones/Hosey? Ha,ha,ha,ha - One thing you do prove is your an idiot. LOL

    By Anonymous proudrepublican, at 9:40 AM, April 19, 2006  

  • You see, this is exactly what I was talking about earlier. Commissioner Hosty expects us to believe everything is status quo, well it's not. Instead of taking responsibility for their FPPD problems, its a free for all, do whatever the hell you please is the message sent to officers that abuse the system. This is my opinion based on a verified hearing with a Chief giving his sworn statement. Obviously, there are serious issues with the management of the FPPD.

    Now, I'm not saying all the officers in Forest Park are bad, because that is not true. I would list all the good ones but I respect their privacy too much.

    By Anonymous fpresident, at 9:47 AM, April 19, 2006  

  • FP Resident, I agree with you. It would be nice to see Commissioner H (who is in charge of Public Safety) spending less time looking up a DU student's blog and writing hearsay on various websites. He should spend more time looking into perspective FP officer's resumes and allegations of police brutality. Wow, right back at ya. This latest admittance by Jim Ryan is more than disheartening, its a blatent disregard of proper police management and the service they are to provide to we the public. Is this the same Jim Ryan, that is a cop's cop? He would allow Weiler to be employed by FP as he is deleting tickets from a public computer system. Is this the same FPPD that makes accusation of a fix? The FPPD story and road has more twists then a daytime soap opera.

    I question management methods and lack of morals. I have that right.

    By Anonymous frazier, at 10:50 AM, April 19, 2006  

  • Why would the Chief keep Weiler when he was deleting tickets?

    I'll tell you why, because they were Dan Harders tickets, remember don't touch me Dan because I'll claim retaliation.

    You got it, Dan has placed the fear of God in everyone over there.

    Thats right it is don't touch me I'm Dan Harder.

    By Anonymous flyonthewall, at 10:29 PM, April 19, 2006  

  • You guys are a Riot.

    Find a single post in this entire thread where Commissioner Hosty actually posted his remarks. This is like the old telephone game we used to play as kids. The farther the message goes the farther from the truth it gets.

    Take a moment and re-read Carl's 1st post on Reformado. Just type his name in the search block at the top of the page, hit enter, then scroll to the article about him being attacked. Read the Article. Then Read the comments. Then come here and read the comments.

    You guys have gone on a wild tangent.

    By Anonymous CommonSense, at 12:35 AM, April 20, 2006  

  • Did Dan have a gun to Weiler's head?

    You can't make a person do anything he doesn't want to do. That would mean that Weiler shares culpability. Weiler could have easily said, you erase your own tickets. How old is he? Does he not have the common sense needed to be a police officer?

    As far as wild tangent, why don't you read 4/18/06 Forest Park Review Article about the Harder case. Then when you get to Ryan's testimony, copy and paste all you want. Holding a police department responsible for a few of their officers that have gone on a "wild tangent" is not a bad thing. Just necessary to protect the public.

    By Anonymous frazier, at 8:15 AM, April 20, 2006  

  • Did Dqan have access to remove the tickets? If he did why would Weiler have removed them for him?

    Sounds to me like Weiler had the ability where Harder did not.

    By Anonymous flyonthewall, at 8:48 AM, April 20, 2006  

  • Are you agreeing, yes Weiler has culpability as well for abusing their power which undermines the conduct expected from an officer?

    By Anonymous frazier, at 9:02 AM, April 20, 2006  

  • Listen 0 sense: This is a "freedom of speach" website. This is not a site that is policed by Administrators other than Carl who fully supports freedom of speach. These are expressions and opinions of people who consider this and other police incidents from Forest Park to be wrong.

    Who gives a shit what you consider "off topics", grammar errors, rude, or not what you want to hear? People here can say whatever the hell they feel like saying. Stay on the FP Board and do all the web policing you want. Watch out for symbol though, he's kicking ass.

    By Anonymous StraightUp, at 11:58 AM, April 20, 2006  

  • That's not the question open fly:

    The question was why would Chief keep Weiler if he deleted Dan's tickets. Dan's already out of the picture yet, you keep another officer that was also doing wrong. I know you needed him to testify against Dan, so now that you have his loyalty, what other crooked things will Weiler do? Testify on Ryan's behalf, delete Hosey's tickets, delete Murphy, Murphy's wife's tickets. Come on wrong is wrong. If both of them were wrong, get rid of both not one. Oooh, I see you needed the other crook to testify against the other one. Wow, that makes it right. Nice fix.

    By Anonymous proudrepublican, at 2:21 PM, April 20, 2006  

  • Actually proudpreppy,

    I believe Ryan had more cause for firing Weiler than Harder. Harder called in sick too many, that's a big offense yet Weiler deletes tickets that probably violated one of our sacred ordinances. Isn't that a crime?

    By Anonymous frazier, at 2:43 PM, April 20, 2006  

  • Fraz, you're reading me wrong. All I'm saying is if two of my employees were involved in wrongdoing and I decided to let only one go (whether or not the offense was small or big) then what message am I sending. I do agree that firing Dan was in retaliation when Ryan didn't bother to let go of the other one. Being impartial would mean same consequences for both parties whether or not offenses are big or small.

    I agree with you, I would rather have a cop call in sick, then have one fix tickets.

    By Anonymous proudrepublican, at 3:22 PM, April 20, 2006  

  • This thread is too long.

    Go to the new entry to discuss the Forest Park Police Department.

    I'm going to change the settings on this entry so it won't take new comments.

    By Blogger Carl Nyberg, at 6:13 PM, April 20, 2006  

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