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Proviso Probe

Friday, March 10, 2006

PO-PO, individual beaten by Forest Park police [FP]

On Wednesday, March 1, Edison Reformado was beaten and Tasered multiple times while being apprehended by Officer Gross. Reformado contends he is the victim of inappropriate police brutality. The felony charge of assaulting a police officer was dropped and Reformado received a $290 fine, community service and court supervision.

For more pictures of Reformado's injuries see Shutterfly.com.

I have excerpted text from the Forest Park Police Department's official documents.

Officer Weiler's report of the injuries provides the shortest summary.
Offense/incident report Forest Park Police 1. Case # 0803-00879
2. Unusual Jail Occurrence 3. Injured Prisoner

Reformado was involved in a fight on the sidewalk in front of Duffy’s Tavern (CR#0603-00677). Reformado punched Ofc. Gross in the head as Gross intervened. As Ofc. Gross attempted to arrest Reformado, Reformado actively resisted Gross’ efforts to handcuff him and several unknown persons assisted Gross in bringing Reformado to the ground. While on the ground, Reformado continued to aggressively struggle to prevent the arrest. At some point in the fight and during his struggle with Ofc. Gross, Reformado suffered several cuts, abrasions, and swelling to his face and head.

At 517 Desplaines, FP #408 arrived at 0146hrs to treat Reformado for his injuries. Reformado refused all medical treatment. ET Ofc. Grimes took photos of Reformado’s injuries.

36. Reporting officer’s name: S. Weiler

Officer Gross' report provides the most detail.
Offense/incident report Forest Park Police 1. 0803-00677
2. Disturbance 3. Battery to Police Officer

8. Duffy’s – Sidewalk – Street 9. 01Mar06 0127 HRS

11. Victim’s name Ofc. K. Gross #234

31. Offenders name Reformado, Edison R., Male, “White”, Age 19, Complexion “Olive”, 6’00”, 170#, Brown/Brown

72. Charge: Battery to a PO; Resisting Arrest; Unlawful Use of License; Underage Consumption of Alcohol by a Minor

“The following is in summary and not verbatim: While on patrol in an unmarked squad car and in plain clothes I observed a small crowd in front of the above location and two male subjects involved in a physical fight. I stopped my car and observed two more subjects exit the bar and begin to fight, one now known as Reformado. I called in the disturbance via radio and exited my squad car. I was wearing a full duty belt and an exterior, body armor carrier with a star and “Forest Park Police” embroidered upon the left chest and my last name, “Gross,” embroidered upon the right chest. The star, Forest Park Police and Gross were visible as I exited the auto. As I approached the disturbance, Reformado walked backwards towards me as the subject he was fighting ran in an easterly direction. I grabbed Reformado by his right shoulder and verbally identified myself as a police officer telling Reformado to “relax.” Reformado looked at me themtowards my badge and with a closed fist struck me in the left side of the head in the area of my jaw and temple, causing me to drop back a few steps. I grabbed Reformado to place him in custody and Reformado fought my attempts to cuff him. I deployed my Taser X28 with the probes from the device landing in Reformado’s jacket, though I do not believe Reformado felt the effects of the Taser. As I was deploying the Taser, patrons of the bar came to my aid, tackling Reformado to the ground. One of the patrons, Vigneri, who is an off duty security guard, had a pair of handcuffs and began attempting to cuff Reformado. I was assisting Vigneri and others who were attempting to place Reformado in custody with Reformado fighting and pulling his arms away from all trying to control him. With the Taser I “drive stunned” Reformado an unknown number of times in an attempt to get him to comply as I continued to yell for him to stop fighting and put his hands behind his back. The Taser did not seem to affect Reformado’s behavior. Ofc. M. Scislowicz #243 arrived and assisted in trying to handcuff Reformado. During the melee, Reformado kicked Ofc. Scislowicz in the leg, ripping Ofc. Scislowicz’s pants. Reformado kept resisting attempts to be handcuffed and I struck him several times in the right side of the face with a closed right fist. Reformado still fought attempts to be handcuffed. Reformado was eventually forced into handcuffs and placed into a squad car.

“Other Forest Park, Oak Park and River Forest Units arrived to assist as we were struggling with Reformado. Officers on scene learned from witnesses that Fiorito was at the above business with Reformado consuming alcoholic beverages. Fiorito is alleged to have jumped on others and me as we were struggling with Reformado, though I did not witness this nor did other officers on scene. Fiorito smelled of alcoholic beverages. It was learned that Fiorito was under 21 years of age. Fiorito was placed in custody for underage consumption by a minor. Three pieces of identification were recovered from Fiorito’s left, rear pants pocket by Ofc. D. Preiwisch #222….

“I spoke with Mungula who was the DJ at the above business this evening. Mungula advised that Reformado was leaning against Mungula’s DJ equipment. Mungula asked Reformado to step away from the equipment. Reformado became confrontational with Mungula asking, ‘What’s your problem?’ and then telling him to ‘Fuck off.’ Reformado told Fiorito and Offender #3 that they were being kicked out. As they were being escorted from the business Officer #3 swung at Mungula two times missing Mungula both times. Mungula pushed Offender #3 away. Offender #3 fled in an unknown direction. Mungula wished to sign a complaint against offender #3.”

According to Gross he came upon a fight that had passed the point that physical violence was immediately about to occur. Reformado's combatant was fleeing the scene.

Gross took a situation where there was not an immediate risk of physical confrontation and contributed--presumably by accident--to the situation developing into a melee involving multiple people that resulted in injuries to Gross and the suspect.

What would have happened if Gross have verbally identified himself as a Forest Park police officer to the entire group before approaching any individual? Would things have gotten out of control?

My understanding is that individual Tasers record each use in memory. Gross' report looks like he's hiding this detail since it would have been readily available from his Taser.

What else seems unusual about Gross' account?

107 Comments:

  • You must be kidding! This guy hits and kicks FP cops...he deserves every scrape and bruise that he got. Good job officers.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:24 AM, March 14, 2006  

  • Dear anonymous "or Ofr Gross Friend",

    You weren't there so how could you say this. Police brutality seems to be Ofr Gross specialty. Don't judge by the last name of the victim (Reformado), we all bleed the same. I'm sure if Gross did identify himself this kid and his friend would have stopped. Also to be tasered at this weight and height of this kid not once but multiple times, I'm almost positive he felt it. But no, officers today receive a cute shiny badge and number and they think they can beat someone has if they are animals, based on the skin color of course. I don't think so, that isn't how this world should be. This kid wasn't on a street corner shooting innocent victims. GO AFTER THOSE PEOPLE GROSS!! He was in a bar like any normal college student and unfortunately someone pissed in Ofr Gross's cereal that morning so he took it out on this kids face. So next time you want to comment on any form of police brutality in any part of town keep your two cents to yourself. It's people like you who discriminate, judge and brutally beat the innocent.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:00 PM, March 14, 2006  

  • Were you there? And, in no way was I judging by the last name, I don't care if he's white, red, black, blue or green, he punched a cop and was out of control. He got what was necessary, nothing more, nothing less. By the way, do you have a lot of people standing around on street corners shooting innocent people in Forest Park? Sounds dangerous.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:12 PM, March 14, 2006  

  • To the first anonymous idiot!

    Apparently this didn't happen to your child or relative that is why you’re a complete ass and would cheer on Ofr Gross. God forbid if this ever was to happen to a member of your family. Maybe you’re not aware that every story has two sides. I believe your a complete narrow minded individual who looks for articles like this and just thrives off the fact that another person was beaten by a police officer and you get off on it. No human deserves scrapes and bruises by another human. But in this case Officer Gross is not a human he is the complete animal in this story. He is a trained professional who is aware of what a taser can do to one heart. Maybe you need to be tasered and next time you read an article like this you won't be a complete idiot!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:19 PM, March 14, 2006  

  • and how do you know he's a college student?? Where in the police report does it say that? You must have some inside information. Perhaps you're a commissioner over there in Forest Park Mr. D. Hmmm...

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:27 PM, March 14, 2006  

  • you said "no human deserves scrapes and bruises by another human". But, a big fat punch in the face to a police officer, now that's okay. Get a clue.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:30 PM, March 14, 2006  

  • Maybe he shouldn't have tased him, he could have shot him, that would have been the nicer thing to do. Maybe Officer Gross could have thanked him for the punch in the face and then taken him down the street for a beer and some skrine chops or something special like that. Oh, the poor drunken cop punching jackass...he's the victim. Not!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:32 PM, March 14, 2006  

  • Oh did someone hit a nerve!
    And yes I was there! And no big mouth, Officer Gross didn't deserve to be punched in the face and this kid didn't deserve to be punched in the face or kicked around. Maybe if he did identify himself, this would have never happened. So, do you get the clue now! Maybe you should check out Ofr Gross is police brutality charge in 2005 or the one two years before that. Oh no your a complete idiot you only read and believe anything in black and white. Hey mouth, why don't you do some research!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 2:55 PM, March 14, 2006  

  • Why don't you learn to read. He did identify himself. Reformado saw his star and name as well. He knew damn well he was a cop and he punched him. A punch to the temple could kill a man...and you still defend Reformado. He should be charged with attempted manslaughter.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:03 PM, March 14, 2006  

  • Why don't you learn to read, I said YES I WAS THERE!!. How does that sound, the kid looked at the badge saw a name and said dah, I think I will go to jail tonight! Oh ya, now I'm starting to understand. NOT! Why don't you learn how to read! Why don't you learn how to read!Why don't you learn how to read!Why don't you learn how to read!Why don't you learn how to read!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 3:07 PM, March 14, 2006  

  • Commissioner Doolin does not post anonymously on blogs. I have no fear of stating my position out in the open for all to see. I posted the letter Mr. Reformado sent me in regard to his situation on another local blog www.forestpark.com in which he states he is a college sophomore. Perhaps the person posting here was there the night of the incident. If not, they may have seen my post on the other site.

    By Anonymous Commissioner Doolin, at 3:47 PM, March 14, 2006  

  • I think you are all jumping to conclusions. If this Young Drunk was just stumbling down the street I would be upset that he was balled up and beat. However, this Young Drunk altered his Drivers License, Drank until his judgement was impaired, Verbally assaulted (Mr Doolin knows how it feels to be a victim of verbal abuse,... ouch it hurts) an employ of the Tavern, Started and Altercation with another patron, struck a police officer, resisted arrest in such a manner as to tear a police officers uniform, and fought off several Tavern employees and police attempting to apprehend him. Now,... I think it would be safe to say he is going to show some wear and tear after a long night of over consumption and pooor judgement.
    His wounds appear to be those I would expect to see from a Young Drunken pugnacious fellow out on the town. Some very minor "Road Rashes" on his torso, scrapes on his knuckles from punching things (Like Officer Gross' head), and what appear to be Taser "Hit" marks. If he complied with the police there is no way this would have happened. I will not say he deserved to get beat, I will say he did nothing to prevent his ass whupping, in fact I think he hastened it.

    By Anonymous Bones, at 10:32 PM, March 14, 2006  

  • Mr. Doolin, You do post anonymously on blogs. In the past I've tracked ip addresses on all posters on forestpark.com and yours came up under patrick doolin and then under other false names. In fact, you would go as far as asking questions under one name and then going in and answering as the "informative" commissioner that you try to appear to be. Sorry kid, nobody buys your bullshit anymore. Nice try though.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:44 AM, March 15, 2006  

  • p.s. speaking of yourself in the third person now is truly lame.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 8:45 AM, March 15, 2006  

  • Don't post under anonymous on Proviso Probe.

    I assume you are all new. I don't want to kill this discussion.

    But as you can see, it gets confusing with multiple people posting under "anonymous".

    Pick a pseudonym.

    I prefer you select "Other" when you post and incorporate your pseudonym into the top of your post.

    But for people that can't figure how to do this, I accept pseudonyms included in the text of the post. E.g., "Bozo says... You are wrong b/c of XYZ."

    You've been warned. From here on I will delete "anonymous" posts.

    By Blogger Carl Nyberg, at 9:40 AM, March 15, 2006  

  • Was Gross wearing a brown hoody or jacket over his bullet proof vest?

    By Blogger Carl Nyberg, at 10:02 AM, March 15, 2006  

  • Was Reformado intoxicated?

    If the answer is "yes" wasn't the Forest Park Police Department negligent for not administering a breathalizer, blood or urine test?

    By Blogger Carl Nyberg, at 10:10 AM, March 15, 2006  

  • Nyberg,
    Give it up. You're discredited. You always take the criminals' side over the police. That's not being a liberal - it's being a fool. This guy is a hustler, and he's hustling you.

    By Anonymous tired, at 6:53 PM, March 15, 2006  

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    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:23 PM, March 15, 2006  

  • Dear Mr. Anonymous: From Ms. Anonymous. Your balls must be the size of your brain. You can't read, you are narrow minded and should be tazered multiple times so that if you should ever get the courage to stand up you can say: yes sir, mr. police man, may I have another. I am not worthy of your shiny badge, then kiss his ass. Never mind the fact that 1/3 of our paycheck pays an untrained baboon. You are an obtuse linear idiot!

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:30 PM, March 15, 2006  

  • Is any person here a doctor? Do you know how many times it takes for someone to be tasered before they are completely subdued or killed. Is it OK to kill young adults who for whatever reason made a bad decision. Where were you Mr. Doolin in your college days. Tasering is as serious as shooting an alleged offender. While Officer Gross may have said that the tasers did not take into effect, the photos indicate differently. I count five taser marks, obviously the tasers took enough effect to leave marks. I'm sure if Officer Gross was tasered, he would most likely debate the effectiveness of his tasering. No one else except Mr. Reformado can say that they had the pleasure of being tasered multiple times. Tasering directly links Officer Gross to excessive force. By the way, if Officer Gross is so trained how many people does it take to hold one young adult -- sounds like the trained Police Officer lost control again or maybe reported it that way to cover the truth. However, I'm sure Officer Gross, Officer Gross's friends and co-workers, and Commissioner Doolin are not medical experts -- That's why we have a court system. I only hope that the other Forest Park politicians do not share the same setiment as Commissioner Doolin. VOTERS where are you?

    By Blogger Anita, at 8:19 PM, March 15, 2006  

  • To the person that was there -- please do not remain anonymous, contact Salome at Latino Push Coalition (773) 373-3366. (You can still remain anonymous). You offer another side of the story that must be told. Do not hide, leave that to the un-ethical politician on this blog (voters will see your other side, you unsavory character -- how do you sleep?).

    Speak up anonymous-that was there, that is the only way to rectify and keep this from happening to someone else. If Officer Gross has multiple police brutality complaints than he must be stopped before someone is seriously injured.

    By Blogger Anita, at 8:46 PM, March 15, 2006  

  • Are you all lost on the fact that there were SEVERAL police officers there. Several tavern employees and patrons helped subdue this Young Drunk. Anita, to operate a taser you have to get tasered, just like pepper spray. There is no telling what was going throught this Young Drunks blood stream, PCP maybe?
    Officer Gross did IDENTIFY himself, then he was met with physical force on his person.

    Anita, this has NOTHING to do with the ethnicity of the Young Drunk that had to be subdued. It has to do with following instructions from a police officer AFTER you have been caught BREAKING the law.

    This Young Drunk should be held accountable. You are all enabling. You make the Young Drunk think his actions were acceptable, they were not. If he was a Law Abiding 19 year old College Student he would not have been drinking underage in a bar involving himself (By his own admission) in Bar fights.
    Lets Chalk this one up to alcohol clouded judgement mets a Police Officer that WILL NOT SIT IN HIS SQUAD while Young Drunks disturb the peace and make the streets unsafe.

    Koudos to Officer Gross and the Forest PArk Police Department. They did what was needed, and only what was needed.

    By Anonymous Bones, at 9:25 PM, March 15, 2006  

  • One thing that seems contradictory about the pro-beating crowd is that they don't seem too concerned that Gross failed to protect his own safety.

    Merely from the point of view of Gross protecting himself, his police work achieved less than optimal results.

    Before Gross arrived on scene it didn't seem like there existed a need to arrest Reformado or anyone else.

    Gross inserts himself in the situation and the confrontation escalates and Gross gets injured. How is this quality policing?

    By Blogger Carl Nyberg, at 9:40 PM, March 15, 2006  

  • Carl, What are you talking about? They were fighting on the street!

    Holy Crap Man! I hope you are never on the wrong end of some Young Drunk's fist, who thinks you are looking at him wrong. The Cops stopped and told him to "RELAX" he responds with a punch to the temple of an individual wearing Body Armor emblazoned with a BRIGHT GOLD police badge. Dude, if he was walking down the street, minding his own, and then was arrested and roughed up, I would be in your corner. This Young Drunk behaved in such a way as to get kicked out of the Bar. A Bar he should not have been drinking in. On his way out he takes a swing at an employee (The one that kicked him out) and the confrontation spills into the street. That is when Gross comes in. There is no hiding in the shadows, no jumping out from behind a bush, the Cops were doing, and did, what they were paid to do. Keep the Peace. Take off your Activist Glasses and see the situation for what it is.

    By Anonymous Bones, at 10:29 PM, March 15, 2006  

  • Bones, who was Reformado fighting when Gross arrived? Why wasn't this person arrested?

    If Reformado was beating someone and Gross needed to intervene, who was Reformado beating?

    How was Gross dressed? Reformado says Gross was wearing a jacket, like a brown hoody, over his uniform.

    Bones, do you approve of police officers wearing something that isn't quite a police uniform but isn't quite civilian clothing either? Doesn't it seem to invite this kind of misunderstanding?

    By Blogger Carl Nyberg, at 10:42 PM, March 15, 2006  

  • Fortune says...

    Seems as if people have finally seen through the bullshit. They've figured out Doolin and realized that this letter by Reformado is clearly coaxed. Gross did his job, period. The kid was a drunken shit and kicked and punched cops, there should be no arguement on this. This "upstanding" kid used a fake ID, got drunk and was disorderly. It's a clear case, done.

    By Anonymous Fortune, at 11:11 PM, March 15, 2006  

  • It appears by the Police report, as Gross came upon the scene of NOT ONE but TWO fisticuffs, one man fled.
    And as far as dress is concerned, Gross could have been wearing a Tutu, If he had the BODY ARMOR with EMBROIDERED BADGE, Young Drunk STILL would have known it was a Cop he was getting ready to punch.
    No, Carl, I do not buy the "Hoodie" bull.

    By Anonymous bones, at 2:25 AM, March 16, 2006  

  • Carl, the fact that you say that Gross wasn't worried about his own safety shows that he's an above average cop. He thought about others first and reacted. If someone's beating me, trying to mug me or rape me, I want guys like Gross who have the instinct to protect me and not worry about himself first. He did everything right. This wouldn't even be an issue if Doolin wasn't trying to cause trouble and bullshit the people around every turn.

    By Anonymous fortune, at 10:42 AM, March 16, 2006  

  • Hey anon #??

    Maybe you should do a little research. Offc. Gross of FPPD has NEVER been charged with nor investigated for police brutality. Show us where you have found these allegations regarding Ofc. Gross of the FPPD.

    Get your facts straight before making accusations, accusing someone of something like this is kind of analogous to punching an IDENTIFIED police officer in the head.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:28 PM, March 16, 2006  

  • PCP NO - Drunk NO - Not a drug test nor alcohol test was given only a lot of accusations and angry false statements by you Mr. Bones... Again, control and good judgment are necessary. As you know, anyone can write any kind of report -- Last I heard we were still checking for missiles. Staying on the point it seems that a nerve was struck, could it be because you feel justified in beating someone Mr. Bones. Sounds like a good anger management program should be required for all policeman and perhaps you too Mr. Bones. The fact of the matter is if Mr. Reformado was drunk where is the proof to back up your statement? oh, I know, we should believe Officer Gross because he is a policeman. Come on - all of you get your facts straight.

    By Blogger Speak Out Against PB, at 1:27 PM, March 16, 2006  

  • Hey PB or should it be PD...whichever. I really hope that when your kid is older and out for a few beers with some buddies, some crazy drunk starts a fight with him and is beating the living shit out of him on a sidewalk. I then hope that Officer Gross, tainted by all of your rantings and accusations, shows up to help but is too intimidated to get involved because of what you've done to him in the past. I hope he stands back yelling "police here, please stop sir" and your kid ends up in the hospital and it'll be your fault. Yours!!!! By the way folks, check out the FP board, Doolin tried to explain himself and made a complete ass of himself as usual. Sure, a River Forest college students mom makes the connection between Nyberg and The Review from her knowing this blog. A mom who lives nowhere near Forest Park is familiar with this blog...wow, he's really outschemed himself into a corner this time.

    By Anonymous Paris, at 2:19 PM, March 16, 2006  

  • Paris
    You too could use anger management. My hope is that if your child should get drunk and make bad decisions, that an officer of the law would uphold the law and not abuse your 19 year old child. That the Officer would show control take him to custody and yes issue the appropriate tickets, drug and alcohol test then let the courts take care of the rest. That is why we have a judicial system. Ms. Paris unlike your immature name, I would hope that you child would sleep comfortably at night, learn from their mistakes and be better human beings. Two wrongs don't make a right. An officer of the law should know better. Officer Gross went way overboard with the abuse he knows it and Reformado knows it -- the rest is opinions and theories and political bull shit. Ms. Paris beating the shit out of someone can lead to death, if that is your thinking and heart than as the good book says, "you have comitted murder". Good luck in raising your children appropriately. Sound like you have your own mental problems. You yourself sound drunk, dazed and confused

    By Blogger Speak Out Against PB, at 3:26 PM, March 16, 2006  

  • Bones or idiot (whatever)

    It's so obvious what your profession is! Complete Moron!
    PCP is that all you can do is continuously add to the rest of the false allegations. Okay now that we know if Gross chooses to bend over we can now pull you out of where the sun don't shine since you seem to be his hearing and voice for all of what Gross claims that he identified himself (I will hope to say he screamed almost loudly) in such a large crowd during an altercation. I guess he would need the extra ears to vouch for him. Just like he needed the extra help to bring down a tall skinny kid. Let's see extra ears, taser, other baboons YES you’re hired to be on the FP PBS.
    Five closed fisted blows to the young man's head, tasered multiple times had several off duty on duty, rent-a-cop or cop to take a 19yr old college student down who probably wghts no more than 160lbs. Hello people! This was not Andre the Giant; it was a young 19yr old kid! Welcome to the twentieth century even way back in your time don't point just this kid out and speak of Law Abiding College Student it happen in all of those little cheese bars in that town: under age drinking goes on all the time, I see it every day! I also believe they had such a grand ole time on this kids body and face in hopes that he won’t speak out, that not one of the other FP PBC could have chased the individual on foot or jumped in the cute little car with pretty decorative lights that us citizens pay for to catch the other individual who fled on foot! You people are pathetic! Let this happen to one of your family members and let’s here the tune you sing. The Koudos comments to Ofr Gross you made also describes your lame mentality. Unnecessary force was not needed! Unnecessary force is what happened!
    Bones what are you talking about, he grabbed Mr. Reformado in the bar! Since you’re his ears and voice maybe you should apply to be his eyes too. You claim Gross told him Mr. Reformado to “RELAX” oh ya I can see were Mr. Reformado got “STOP I’M A FOREST PARK POLICE OFFICER” confused with a man with a hoody who swings him around and don’t identify himself and says “RELAX”, I’m a little curious if someone tells me to relax, does that mean he’s a Officer of the Law????

    By Anonymous fed up w/pb, at 3:34 PM, March 16, 2006  

  • No more comments -- Did all the Police officers go back to work?

    By Blogger Speak Out Against PB, at 3:35 PM, March 16, 2006  

  • Paris (figures)

    Let's say when your family member is out at a bar and a drunk starts a fight with him and Ofr. Gross comes and shouts ‘police here” “please stop” and the drunk runs away while every officer who shows beats the crap out of your family member...oh SHUT UP! You apparently watched way too much Police Academy you little winer! I'm also curious to what you know of what goes on around you??? Apparently not much, since you say this mom doesn't even live in Forest Park or anywhere near so there for nobody should know anything out side their own town. If you’re a college student please save your parent the money and drop out. Or if you’re a housewife continue to stay on you knees you aren’t going nowhere babe!!!

    By Anonymous fustrated reader, at 3:47 PM, March 16, 2006  

  • The letter I received, signed by Mr. Reformado, asking that I make sure he received a full & fair investigation into his allegations, had a return address for a person with the first name of Anita. I now understand that to be his mother's name. Is it safe to assume the above poster "anita" is the same person? If so, your comments are a bit confusing to me. On one hand, you ask in your letter that I assist in assuring a fair investigation, which I did by emailing our police chief to confirm that was in fact happening, then, in your post on this blog you want me voted out of office and hope other Forest Park politicians do not share my views. So did you or did you not write me seeking assistance?

    On the other side of the, I guess we'll call it debate, others are angry that I actually addressed the issue, saying if it wasn't for me, there would be no issue. I was not drinking at Duffy's that night, I am not Ofc. Gross, I am not Mr. Reformado and I have no involvment in their altercation. A serious allegation was brought to me in my capacity as an elected official in Forest Park, I forwarded it to the appropriate person (even though he had already been sent a letter under separate cover) and then informed residents on a local web forum of what was transpiring. All the while saying I know Ofc. Gross to be a good police officer but could not speak to what either he wrote in his police report nor what Mr. Reformado wrote in his letters to me as they both appear to have conflicting recollection of what happened that night. I did not pre-judge either.

    So if both sides would like to continue gigging each other and me, have at it. This issue is in the hands of our Police Chief now. It will be up to him to sort through the details and make a final determination.

    By Anonymous Commissioner Doolin, at 5:50 PM, March 16, 2006  

  • Mr. Doolin,

    You are correct in your assumption. I am Ed's mother and not ashamed to say it. I posted my name and did not hide it so that there would be no confusion (however thanks Paris for spelling it out). I read your blogs, you may have forwarded the letter but you have stated your prejudicial opinions as did everyone else. However, I thank you for following protocol by forwarding the letter to the Chief. Maybe the confusion of fairness lies within your own perception. I too have every right to discuss my opinion. I will tell you that my son has never been in trouble with the law. Has great grades and is a wonderful person. I will also say that both you and I were not there. It is my belief however, that things went way overboard. Let me tell you and any officer here, you are not the judge or jury, we have one in place. I have heard your description of Officer Gross and say that you are entitled to your opinion as well. Good luck with politicing!

    By Blogger anita, at 6:28 PM, March 16, 2006  

  • Fed up with PB,

    My point with the PCP was that substances we abuse can give unexplained strength. It is not my intent to claim the Young Drunk was anything but Drunk. Drunks can be difficult to subdue as evidenced by the Young Drunk in this incident. Further, the Young Drunk was confronted on the sidewalk outside the Bar. At least that is what those who were SOBER reported. I would also like to say that the name calling really lessens your credability.

    Anita, I am sorry you had to see this side of your son. It must be hard to find out your son, who is a good kid and gets good grades also breaks the law and gets into fist fights.

    By Anonymous Bones, at 9:53 PM, March 16, 2006  

  • Mr. Bones:

    What's hard to believe is that your good officer continued the abuse after the alledged offender was in handcuffs? Its also hard to believe that you refer to him as YOUNG DRUNK, what is your evidence or the officers? OTHER PEOLE WERE ALSO AT THE BAR BUT YOU REFER TO THEM AS "SOBER". GET A CLUE, NO ALCOHOL TEST WAS GIVEN. PCP is your ridiculous allegation to throw the facts off. SEE YOU SOON MR. BONES. I AM NOT AFRAID OF YOUR ROUGH EDGED TACTICS.. WAS THIS SOMETHING YOU LEARNED ON THE FORCE or in your one man race for town idiot?

    By Blogger anita, at 1:26 PM, March 17, 2006  

  • Bones,

    PCP just cannot be used for unexplained strength. PCP weakens the mind, paralyzes your speech, your breathing becomes shallow, your flushing, profuse sweating and it may cause blur vision. Mixing PCP with alcohol may lead to a "COMA". So, maybe your point was Mr. Reformado was so brutally beaten almost comparison to PCP and alcohol mixed (COMA)? It will not make anyone turn into the "Incredible Hulk"! This is a 19 yr old kid who seemed to me felt his life was almost taken and still absolutely no explanation to why, except for the only weak one, is to continue to call him a drunk! And yes, you would be the one to say my name calling really lessened my credibility since you continue to refer to him as the YOUND DRUNK! Perhaps you didn’t catch it; the YOUND DRUNK, his name is Mr. Edison Reformado. So I guess you the rule would apply to you too! Oh yah, BONES, at least Anita identified herself with absolutely no fear and let all you readers know this is her son. What about your weak self (name calling) or is “Bones” actually what is creeping out of the closet here in FP!! I really believe this will explain why numerous writers do not identify themselves because they know the closet for FP is now open! All PB that happened in that town will come tumbling out just like a bunch of wasted rotten smelly BONES!!! I was also curious to why one good blow the abdomen would not have knocked the wind right out to take this kid down? Instead Mr. Gross's judgment was five close-fist blows to the side of the head and multiple use of a taser plus apparently a few “sober” baboons to take this kid down. I would have thought loss of air would have done the job real quick.

    Anita,

    You’re obviously a mother before anything!! Let’s see what was that lame word “Bones” used? Oh yah, Koudos to the mother who stands for civil rights and speaks the truth! No person should have to suffer from unnecessary force by any police officer. Speak out against PB is what we will do!!!

    By Anonymous fed up w/pb, at 3:24 PM, March 17, 2006  

  • Reformado is young. He was Drinking underage in a Bar. He had more than one confrontation inside the Bar. This leads me to his being Drunk. I could be wrong but I dont think the Police need to give him an alcohol test unless they charge him with Drunk in Public or Drunk and Disorderly. I dont know where you get the 5 punches to the head. He may have been struck until he began to comply with the instructions the Police were giving him. Perhaps he was not comprehending the instruction because he was Drunk. There was enough force used to accomplish the artrest. Shame on Reformado the Drunk for causing such a disturbance in Forest Park.

    I forgot to ask Anita, why was your good grade getting son in the Bar two years before he is legally able to be in there?

    By Anonymous bones, at 5:35 PM, March 17, 2006  

  • Yes he is young; we finally come to an agreement!! You know what Bones, lets dig deep into your past and I’m sure under age drinking gone on! Yes, he was drinking under age; you’re good! As for more then one confrontation, what are you talking about? The anonymous DJ! Mr. Reformado leaned against the DJ’s speaker, the DJ tells Mr. Reformado to “get the F***K off the speaker” So Mr. Reformado used the same foul language as DJ Anonymous, but the only one who was out of control was Mr. Reformado? MMmmmmm! I wish you can ask ever parent of a college student why their child with good grades is able to be in a bar under age. I’ll tell you, because all of those bars allow it until this crap happens!!! They should nip in the rear at the door!

    By Anonymous fed up w/pb, at 6:28 PM, March 17, 2006  

  • I have never been kicked out of a Bar nor have I been in a street fight outside a bar as a result of my going into a bar. Under age or as a Law abiding over 21 year old.

    No sense in beating this dead. He broke the law. During his arrest he received Minor Abrasions and Bruises one would expect to see on a young guy that resisted arrest and fought with the police. I hope the Young Drunk learns a lesson.

    By Anonymous Bones, at 12:22 AM, March 18, 2006  

  • As mayor of this FP PB munchkin City, in the sparkling land of FP OZ, I hereby declare
    that we (that we) are morally, historically, horribly undeniably wrong. You see (you see) if he (if he), is beaten, taser, kicked, chastised, defamed then we, (then we) can flee (can flee) and no will investigate me.

    I further “declare my office will investigate my office under the assumed name of Internal Affairs”.

    From this day forward, let it be known throughout the land, that my independence is my own and my office is now known as FP’s finest PD to SERVE (only minors) AND PROTECT (me).


    Signed: Mayor Quimby

    By Blogger Mayor Quimby, at 10:33 AM, March 18, 2006  

  • Hey bones,
    Good for you for being a law biding choir boy but let's be honest. We all know someone or have ourselves partaken in a few drinks prior to our 21 st b-day. Hell as an ex-Marine infantry man. Underaged drinking was as normal as breathing. Going out into town raising some hell on Friday after payday was the norm. I used to fight just for fun and have on occasion been taken down by well trained officers. I have never seen this kind of abuse to myself or one of my peers. It's obvious that you are in bed with either one or all of the officers of FP PD. I agree with this mother that you should remove your head from the behind of the officer and speak not of under aged drinking but of what really is the issue here and that's excessive force. I used to hang out in clubs with all jarheads and navy personel. Things would always get out of control. Wanna know how many times I've seen a man tasered? NEVER! By the way what time is choir practice?

    By Blogger jarhead, at 1:14 PM, March 21, 2006  

  • Well JarHead, you got me. I have had an occasion to drink a Beer or two prior to being of age. However, if, while drinking, I got into a confrntation that became physical, and the Cops showed up, NO ONE punched the Cops. We ran from them. You have not seen a man tasered because your days of swilling beer with squids was over a decade ago. I hope they were Corpsmen at least. By the by, it seems Reformado has a long history of "Hangin' in Bars" check out his own web site http://www.xanga.com/edreformado30?nextdate=12%2f10%2f2003+22%3a11%3a43.217&direction=p

    He has MINOR scrapes and a black eye for Christ sake. And you have not seen worse? Tell it to the Marines!

    By Anonymous Bones, at 10:41 PM, March 21, 2006  

  • Oh, I bet you made your SNCO's Proud of you with your weekend antics as well.

    By Anonymous bones, at 10:43 PM, March 21, 2006  

  • Bones,

    U people kill me (please don’t taser me, just an expression), simply kill me!! I too went to a good high school and received good grades, went to college. But I also went to the forest preserve parks to gather with a group of friends, who came from well off family and lived in huge homes and parents drove nice cars. I guess we too should have been considered young drunks! When the police came they just made us through the liquor or beer away and get the hell out of the parks. No one lived an innocent past and no one should be judge by the bad judgments one might have made. So you can continue to look and google search to try and belittle this kid all you want. Whatever bad judgment he made still does not justify what (once again) multiple taser, scraps, bruises or whatever else he might have suffered. What if this kids life was taken by Ofr Gross tasering him multiple times, who would you point the figure at then? I know one thing living in the town of FP all you see is underage drinking going on. So, why not come from other towns to do so! That strip is the party place isn’t it BONES. Why don’t you take a walk during Karokee night or on the Friday nights or even after a big game? If you know how to count I know you will need a extra hand or two. I’m not taking sides; I’m embarrassed to say the people in this town are money hunger and that is because we have to pay for all the settlements out of court on PB. All I now if this was you, you too would be speaking out about this and want questions answered! Ofr Gross might be a great guy, but he too comes from a PB family. Use your goggle search again!! Do u people think you will solve anything by pushing bottoms back and forth? Let the investigation settle this. Stop throwing digs at this kid!

    By Anonymous black pit, at 8:19 AM, March 22, 2006  

  • Thanks PIT, way to google. By the way bbones, I agree with soapy, you sure do have a problem with reading. The website refers to not wanting to drink. Oooh did I say the d word where are the big bad po-pos. Sling has is not on the politic referendum, oh wait a minute it is.

    By Blogger anti_bbones, at 2:12 PM, March 22, 2006  

  • Hey, who turned on the firehouse and washed out soapy. I like soapy, finally someone with real logic.

    By Blogger anti_bbones, at 2:13 PM, March 22, 2006  

  • Maybe if officers came from good families PB wouldn't exist. If, I were to think like bbones and cast dark shadows over people's lives and stand in judgement then half of FP PD's own officers would not be there. These incidents that are re-occuring in FP do not reflect on the good officers, I thank them for being there. Its only the ones that continue to abuse civil rights. Please don't stub your nose at police brutality, it exists in the department (if the semtiment didn't these incidents would keep re-occuring). "Judge not less ye be judge." My favorite saying is this "keep your enemies closer". Are you looking to be judged by your own sins as well as those that you judge. I know you didn't learn that as a choir boy. Go back to your board where you are accepted for your narrow mindness.

    By Blogger anti_bbones, at 2:22 PM, March 22, 2006  

  • I had to post this...I don't understand why someone who could obviously write, may have some problems with comprehension, is now learning to surf (thanks to soapy), would spend their time blogging and looking up people's last name. Look up this kid all you want and while you are looking it up all review the vomit and venom that is coming out of FP because it will still be there. Not because this happened to Ed but because FPPD actually has a problem. Your debate is only helping the side that has a true cause to fight racism and police brutality. The venem that is spewed out of your mouth wouldn't happen if you keep it shut.

    PIT YOU ROCK! Pit, I hope that all the FP residents can see this for the racist, pb that it truly is? Can you believe that someone would try to put out false accusations of PCP, did you read the review. That's just pure evil and wrong. No wonder why the mom wants answers. I guess in the big talk in February was about Harder and Johnson, now its somebody or something else. Its a shame how they won't take responsibility for their problems of pb. Never happens, not here, not in Kansas. YOUR NOT IN KANSAS ANYMORE BBONES.

    By Blogger Looking Glass, at 2:54 PM, March 22, 2006  

  • Like I said, I’m not taking sides I just find this so hideous that this town really thinks they can hide what goes on here forever. I’m not sure why or who what or who when, all I know is I’m very bothered and quite embarrassed by the so call righteous people of FP. We all know what is going on in this town and we all let this happen. From the bar owner to us the homeowners. I hope I am not the only one to say this but “how much money are us village taxpayers willing to fund for the PB settlement fund”? I mean come on! I was speaking with my spouse and we know we can’t be at our children’s side every second, minute etc…. all we can do is believe and hope they don’t make bad choices. It doesn’t matter what age or what color, don’t think you need to be well off or homeless. You look at some officer’s wrong in my town and they will let you have it! I’ve read about, heard people talk about it and I’m ashamed of it! Go to the town meeting and just sit back and listen!

    By Anonymous black pit, at 5:24 PM, March 22, 2006  

  • Pit, I know its hard to see your neighborhood go down the drain but you are a voice (this probably gets to the pit of your stomach). Be a voice there, do not move. People like BBones only post their negative views as a scare tactic, that's all it is. FP needs people like you, if not it may become another Cicero.

    By Anonymous looking glass, at 9:29 PM, March 22, 2006  

  • This incident has nothing to do with Race/Ethnicity.
    Reforamdo struck a Police Officer.
    The Officer Struck back.
    I am wondering what you all would be saying if the officer was killed by the blow Reformado gave.
    There was a Marine Sgt killed in Irvine California, outside a popular bar after a night of drinking, in the mid 80's by one punch. One punch that spun his cranium faster than his brain and spinal cord. One punch.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:02 AM, March 23, 2006  

  • Did Reformado take up Martial Arts like his blog said he was?

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:04 AM, March 23, 2006  

  • Our town is much more than Madison Street. It is the Parks, the greetings you get from neighbors, it is the diversity of our youth interacting. It is,... Our little league, Our 4th of July, Our No Gloves Invitaional, Our Dog Park, Our victorian homes. It is more than that, it is our neighborhood.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 12:25 AM, March 23, 2006  

  • HOW IRONIC IS IT THAT A BUNCH OF MORONS WOULD DEFEND A BUNCH OF OTHER MORONS THAT WOULD BRUTILIZE A 19 YEAR OLD 120 POUND KID. IM PRETTY SURE THAT TACTIC OF BRUTALITY IS PROBABLY NOT FOUND IN THE FOREST PARK POLICE HANDBOOK, SO WHY IS IT BEING SO WIDELY DEFENDED.POLICE OFFICERS WHO INITATE IN THE ACT OF BRUTALITY SHOULD BE HELD ACCOUNTABLE FOR THIER ACTS AND PROCESUTED TO THE FULLEST EXTENT OF THE LAW. PEOPLE SAY THAT THE BIGGEST GANG IN THE UNITED STATES IS LAW ENFORCEMENT. WHO ARE THEY TO PLACE THIER HANDS, FEET,VERBAL ASSAULTS,OR ANY OTHER KIND OF CRUEL PUNISHMENT ON A CIVILIAN. LOW AND BEHOLD IF THE VICTIM WAS A POLICE OFFICERS FAMILY MEMEBER (WHETHER BEING PARENT OR A LONG LOST COUSIN) ALL HELL WOULD BREAK LOOSE,NOW WOULDN'T IT.HOW ARE POLICE OFFICERS TRAINED THESE DAYS WHEN IT TAKES 5 OFFIECERS TO SUBDUE A 120 POUND 19 YEAR OLD KID. HOW IS THE USE OF A TASER 5 TIMES JUSTIFIED. IS THE LAW ENFORCEMENT IN FOREST PARK PEACE MAKERS OR BREAKERS OF THE PEACE

    By Blogger MORONSINBLUE, at 3:24 PM, March 23, 2006  

  • WELL SAID MORONSINBLUE! AS THE DEPUTY OF A SMALL TOWN IN MAYBERRY, N.C IT WAS MY DUTIES TO ENSURE PEACE THROUGHOUT MY TOWN. NOT SURE WHAT GOES ON UP THERE WITH YOU CITY FOLKS! I WAS NOT A VERY BIG MAN BUT ONE THING YOU NEVER SAW WAS MYSELF, GOOBER AND THE REST OF THE MAYBERRY GANG ATTACK OTIS. HOW YOU COULD ALLOW "PATRONS" OF A BAR TO JOIN IN, IS MIND BOGGLING. I CAN JUST PICTURE IT. "HEY GOOBER COME ON OVER HERE I JUST TASERED OTIS NOW LET'S BEAT THE CRAP OUT OF HIM" NO SIR! I WAS A WELL TRAINED DEPUTY SHERIFF THAT KNEW HOW TO HANDLE ANY SITUATION. SOUNDS TO ME LIKE SOMEONE'S EGO WAS HURT MORE THAN A PUNCH TO THE CHIN. IF ANDY WOULD LET ME, I'D COME UP THERE AND SHOW YOU FOLKS HOW TO CONTROL A CROWD.

    By Blogger Barney Fife, at 7:54 PM, March 23, 2006  

  • I have watched news accounts of policemen getting into some sort of trouble while they issue a traffic citation. The common man often come to the aid of the Law Officer attempting to protect society from the less than law abiding. Why should this situation be any different? Reformado was causing a disturbance and the common Law Abiders nearby came to the officer's aid.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 11:41 PM, March 23, 2006  

  • FP has so many problems right now, this is just a flashlight on a terrible mindset of the Police Department. I'm glad things are coming out to light. It may take time to fix but as long as residents like PIT are there to see it, fed up with it and want to make a change then all things are possible.

    By Blogger respectrigths, at 9:09 AM, March 24, 2006  

  • The fact that some PD employees would continuously blog and write false information about Reformado and his family, just prove the out of control problem that they truly have as well has the immaturity. PIT,this should be a time for regrowth and someone in office that has control over the matters.

    By Blogger respectrigths, at 9:12 AM, March 24, 2006  

  • Dear Fife,
    Did you ever read things out of content, like a crooked family Christmas tree to mean a crooked family. I know one thing some people have poor comprehension skills. Hey, anyone know a PB, Cicero mobster,I mean ex Chief of Police? Who's your daddy? Some things just run in the family

    By Blogger AuntBsMayberry, at 10:08 AM, March 24, 2006  

  • Police department apologists apparently aren't willing to own up to the fact that in the vast majority of these cases, harmless and relatively innocent people are being tasered and sometimes killed because they hadn't responded quickly enough to some 'compliance' order being barked at them by a policeman! Never mind that the person being tasered may not have understood, or heard, or even realized what was being said to him. Immediate 'compliance' is the order of the day today with Officer Rambo and too bad if you get killed for not obeying police 'orders' quickly enough!

    Transforming Office Friendly into Officer Rambo

    Gradually, the hidden hand of the Illuminati has been converting city police departments across America into organizations staffed with personnel that are coming to more closely resemble the police of Stalin's era or that of former East Germany. We no longer have the friendly policeman walking the beat in America. He was the sort of cop who was treated with respect by everyone in the neighborhood- not out of fear- but rather from a sense of admiration and welcome for the heightened sense of security that ensued in the wake of his presence.
    It will never be the same in mayberry!

    By Blogger AuntBsMayberry, at 11:10 AM, March 24, 2006  

  • Well I see that all of you have missed the most valid point of evidence in this case.... Edison was beaten by cops and these police officers never took him to the emergancy room to render care! First he was an off duty cop never displayed his badge, second I never have known an individual to resist after being zapped not only once but multiple times obviously people on this site have never been zapped before you stop in your tracks. Third what kind of a bad ass punches someone in the face when handcuffed. I hope these "officers" hang for what they did to Edison.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 6:45 PM, March 28, 2006  

  • Do you mean he was in an UNMARKED PATROL CAR wearing a PROTECTIVE VEST and BADGE? What kind of a martial arts wanna be goes out drinking underage and then tries to sucker punch a Cop. I am sorry Reformado got off so lightly

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:49 PM, March 28, 2006  

  • Oh, and he REFUSED medical attention when it was offered.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 9:50 PM, March 28, 2006  

  • Nobody will ever hang in a police department that promotes this kind of behavior. If you do something wrong as a policeman in FP you can look forward to an enhanced position within a few years or a possible promotion. I suggest you follow Officer's Gross career growth and see what new position will open up for him. Maybe he too will be elevated to Lt. or Chief. We'll see.

    P.S. Mr. Anonymous nobody cares what you think as far as your twisted offer of evidence and why you consider this not to be police brutality. I hardly think refusing medical treatment is an admittance that it was not police brutality. In fact, I believe opposite. There is no way someone that who was apparently beaten by the FP police would want to get in a car with the PB officer for a ride to the hospital, where things can get worse. Shock does weird things to your body and mind. I'm sure you weren't there anonymous so please no more spin on evidence that does not exist.

    By Blogger AuntBsMayberry, at 9:37 AM, March 29, 2006  

  • This seems to be the topic of our town the last couple of weeks. I sit back and hear people refer to Mr. Reformado as the "young drunk" or “that a**hole who hit KG deserved it”! Well, once again I apologize for the well-trained officers who seem to think almost taking the life of a child is the greatest thing in the world. People outside our town have to understand that 12 wks of training at our local college made these ofr’s capable to judge, to make rude remarks and decisions like the one KG made. Then we have wives who now no longer greet me in the a.m., because I disagree with what the husbands have to say. This town is so close to one another, at one point I really enjoyed growing up here. I felt safe! Never had a negative thought about living here. Now I know what my dad meant when he moved out of FP, he too worked for the village. Now you can see once you disagree with the town you become an outcast. Okay this kid made and honest mistake in our town. That doesn’t give us the right to ridicule him! My brother-in-law is a CP Ofr, and they did a year in an actual police academy! 1-year equivalent to 12 months not weeks at a local college! Also, they did an additional six mths in the streets; now that is what you call training. Maybe instead of ridiculing this kid we should show a lot more laughter at the one who hired and put thru training for us to be served and protected by FP finest. YAH RIGHT!!

    By Anonymous Long time resident, at 1:01 PM, March 29, 2006  

  • The town is becoming more unsettled only because no one wants to see the truth. Just think there are Germans still walking around today saying that the holocaust did not exist either similar to what people in our town are saying about Police Brutality (does not exist.) Truth be known our town has had many incidents of police misconduct, from the time Lt. Cody pulled a fellow officers shirt down at a picnic, to the time a homeless man was beaten and then there was a recent 16 year old young male and now this. It is not getting any better.


    P.S. You know the saying you can always tell who your true friends are.

    By Blogger neighborly, at 2:15 PM, March 29, 2006  

  • The Cody incident appears to be a "Workplace" Offense. The broken arm,.... yep that was abuse. Reformado's incident is it's own. His injuries seem to be consistent with scrapes on the pavement and a few pounches to the face. Just what was documented. Is it abuse? Not if you are to believe the report Carl began his Blog with. It seems force was ecallated when one person failed to comply. Was this force Abuse? .... nope. Was this force Ugly? .... Yes, but it was required to effect the arrest.

    By Anonymous Anonymous, at 7:28 PM, March 29, 2006  

  • Gee, It seems Reformado took his web site down. I guess there was a little too much incriminating statements made by the Young Drinker! Why Anita, did your Good Grade Getting, Want to Be a Lawyer or Teacher, Good Law Abiding, Assaultive, Victim take his blog down? I would think he would begin posting on it to let all his drinking buddies know they can't drink illegally in FOrest Park anymore cause the Cops do not tolorate it!

    By Anonymous bbones, at 12:58 AM, March 30, 2006  

  • Small minded individuals are breaking in for a last defense of why police brutality exists and how it is a good attribute to society. More verbal attacks on family and again little to no evidence as to why KG uses excessive force,except for that a town which promotes underage drinking is now tasering for it. As far as cops not tolerating drinking in Forest Park I have yet to see them stop any underage drinkers in the bar not just Duffy's but the whole strip.

    By Blogger AuntBsMayberry, at 8:27 AM, March 30, 2006  

  • BTW, I disagree with the so-called workplace offense. If it is on the taxpayer's dime and done in a police department, that is police misconduct and sexual harrassment. Call it for what it is unless you are pro sexual harrassment, in which case you are on the wrong website.

    By Blogger AuntBsMayberry, at 8:35 AM, March 30, 2006  

  • Why would anyone need to post to their buddies to inform them that they cannot drink in Forest Park? Bbones, has a law abiding citizen, long time resident and a tax payer. Get real! You know and I know kids from colleges and other towns love our town because we all sit back and allow underage drinking for years. You continue to refer to a young adolescents blog. Just how incriminating would that blog be? In it he claimed to have been a sophomore of junior what age is that 16 or 17! My children speak one why in front of me in my home and then probably go to school and speak another way to their friends. We need to step forward and admit the problem begins here! You continue to TRY and belittle this “young” kid for what a bad choice. I know you made bad choices too, BBONES! Lay off already! Or what exactly are you afraid of? If this kid plans to become a lawyer or a teacher he still can do so! Are you a bunch of fools? He can get his record expunged!! He wasn’t charged with a felony! You should know that! I too was so angered when I read the forum. But why should I be angered, if this was my son or daughter,I would take the same steps his mother took. I'm not with my kids every second and every minute of the day. I too am mother before anything but we have to work in order to provide! Pick on someone else! They’re not coming after you Bones, they just have question unanswered!

    By Anonymous black pit, at 8:43 AM, March 30, 2006  

  • Gee, PIT I wonder if BBones is the Village Administrator that would explain why he is on this blog trying to clear the good name of FPPD. Ahh, did somebody's feelings get hurt?

    By Blogger AuntBsMayberry, at 8:47 AM, March 30, 2006  

  • Was a compliane order given?...No. Did excessive force continue...Yes. Was this the Forest Park Police Department...Yes. Where you there?...No. Excessive force is not effective it is only criminal.

    By Blogger AuntBsMayberry, at 9:49 AM, March 30, 2006  

  • I do not consider this case abuse. Although many in here think KG is Hitler incarnate, he did what he needed to do to gain control. THREE TOWNS, Oak Park, River Forest and Forest Park had police there! This was more than an underage drinker getting thrown out of the bar.

    By Anonymous bbones, at 10:55 PM, March 31, 2006  

  • Three towns showed up after and while KG used his excessive force. Three towns that know us FP pretty well. You are entitled to your opinion of not thinking this is abuse but I pose a few questions to you. When FP was successfully sued after an officer pulled down a fellow officers blouse was that sexual harrassment or friendly greetings, when a homeless man was beaten and settled and arm broke then settled out of court was that Officer Friendly directing the homeless gentlemen to shelter, when a 16 year old male is beaten in back of a squad car is that Officer Friendly directing this juvenile to stay on the other side of the Ike. I know what goes on in our town and it is terrible as well as racist.

    By Blogger FPRelocatingPlan, at 6:28 AM, April 01, 2006  

  • I don't believe multiple taser wounds account for an underage drinker getting thrown out of a bar. BB I read one of your postings in the ForestPark board you admitted to this call not being handled right, yet you are here to justify what? What is your agenda, Mr. Mayor or is it Chief?

    By Blogger FPRelocatingPlan, at 6:45 AM, April 01, 2006  

  • Relocation,

    He was out of the Bar when the Cops got there. Yes I believe this call could have been handled better. However, we were not there. As far as abuse goes, I still do not think this is in the realm of abuse. Of those you have mentioned the blouse pulling was at a picnic not on duty if I am to understand it right. Based on that I do not believe it needs mention here.
    I will not say there is no abuse in ANY police department. I do not believe it happened in THIS incident.
    Multiple Tasers? If the Taser worked the 1st time he would not have been hit a second or third. If this were a gun battle would it be abuse if the officer fired of more than one round when the 1st one did not hit the guy shooting at him? It is my understanding KG Tasered until it was effective.

    By Anonymous BBones, at 10:41 AM, April 01, 2006  

  • How did this come to be your understanding and on what authority are you speaking? Let us in on how you seem to have the know when you were not there or is it that you really don't know. BTW, Even if a cop was off duty it is still sexual harrassment he knew his fellow officer and decided to pull her blouse down anyway that is police misconduct, just like this is police brutality. Can you officially state that KG's taser gun was not working properly? If so, how? Is it because KG states that in his report. Why does that make it official? I'm not taking anything anyone person says for face value.

    By Blogger AuntBsMayberry, at 4:12 PM, April 01, 2006  

  • BB, Was the picnic a Village sponsored picnic? Who hosted the picnic? Was it the understanding of all parties attending that it was a "work related" function? If so, that makes it Village sponsored - officially and unofficially. It needs to be mentioned here because the mindset of the FPPD is to cover up police brutality (as mentioned in the Harder case) and police misconduct, to reward inappropriate behavior through promotion and it is WRONG! If you don't believe this incident is police brutality that is your opinion and all the posting here won't change that. However, today the mindset of the FPPD is being challenged. What will they do if other police brutality incidents arise? Will the FPPD blame individuals, family, carl, mr. doolin. Will you have to post your opinions in defense on the board or here to cover up another lulu! Hopefully, FPPD will look within the department and say we need to make some serious changes. Just think, you haven't even mentioned the cases that are still pending for police brutality. Those are hush hush, shhhhhh!

    By Blogger fprelocatingplan, at 4:49 PM, April 01, 2006  

  • I am not a Village Official. I get my information from our fine upstanding Activist Journalist that seems to be anti-law enforcment. You seem to have"Gleened over" the report where it states the Taser had no effect on the subject.

    By Anonymous bbones, at 6:01 PM, April 01, 2006  

  • What makes this official because a police officer that participated in police bruality noted in his report that the taser did not take effect? How many times did you say he tried for it to take effect, I believe the number you gave was 3. Was that in a report or something that crossed your desk? Funny I didn't see that mentioned in any report noted by the Review. Also, I didn't "gleen over" it. I just don't believe it since photos indicate otherwise. Sorry your perception of our activist journal is anti law. Again, I believe otherwise, no offense you won't change my opinion. I believe the Review is tackling tough issues and not hiding them to suit public image. No one cares for the media when awful things are exposed. I am content that the exposure is bringing to light a mindset of a PD that hides behind a pro-brutality Mayor.

    By Blogger fprelocatingplan, at 7:34 PM, April 01, 2006  

  • The question of a Village sponsored picnic did not get answered. Is it OK for officer friendly to leave his manners at home because he is at a Village picnic, don't think so. I know why don't we promote him to Lt. BB you come here for what, do a reality check, you have a bunch of groupie goomba gals (through their own admittance) that will follow you to their death and slander anyone that should quetion you (I mean the mayor). You have a Village Clerk that on "Village" time tries gathering any supporter to form a lynching mob against her husband's (I mean Lt. Cody) fellow co-worker. How does that saintly woman keep her job and manage a perverted husband in the police department? Then you have the puppet Chief of Police waiting for Calderone to say "jump". This is just a boiling pot of shit you just keep trying to lower the flames but it still smells.

    By Blogger fprelocatingplan, at 7:56 PM, April 01, 2006  

  • Uh, FPRelocating, where are you thinking of moving?

    BB Here's more questions. Are you saying KGs taser was defective and did not take effect or are you suggesting that perhaps KG was not trained to recognize the effect on the subject. Who would have the authority to verify this, possibly the manufacturer? Or are you saying all your knowledge is formed by a report that is written by an officer who has pb problems and works for a PD that has pb problems. Many ways to look at one report. I do not agree with KGs way or yours.

    By Blogger AuntBsMayberry, at 8:13 PM, April 01, 2006  

  • Aunt Bee,
    Can you quantify your statement that KG has Police Brutality problems? This is the 1st issue regarding him that I am aware off.

    I believe there has to be Qualification Training on the Taser before one is allowed to use it.
    I don't know why the thing didn't work the first time. PErhaps it hit his jacket and did not penetrate his skin.

    Relocating, how can you say the Mayor is Pro-Brutality?

    By Anonymous bbones, at 9:19 PM, April 02, 2006  

  • I asked you questions first that went unanswered through two postings.
    1. You said you don't know why the darn thing didn't work the first time-prior postings you stated it took 3 times. Where did this information come from? 2. Who oversees qualification of an officer being trained on Tasers. What are the qualifications that have to be met and how often are the trained.

    I think what FP Relocating means specifically when stating that the Mayor is Pro police brutality is that he allowed pn police officers (the one that beat a homeless man) to stay on the police payroll. He also, allowed a police officer who practices sexual harassment to stay on the police payroll and get promoted. My belief here is that he oversees the Police Department. He is the final say and yes the buck stops at his desk.

    Now BB, please answer the questions that were posed to you. You can answer as both BB and the Mayor.

    By Blogger AuntBsMayberry, at 10:28 PM, April 02, 2006  

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    By Blogger AuntBsMayberry, at 10:38 PM, April 02, 2006  

  • I have never seen such a brown nosing kiss butt in my whole life, either you are in bed with the Mayor, or you are the Mayor.

    By Blogger AuntBsMayberry, at 10:43 PM, April 02, 2006  

  • AuntB, Alsip.

    BTW, I noticed that BB does not answer any questions, he only comes here perodically makes up allegations and then leaves. Back to his own nonsense board. Can you believe that they claim not to be racist but their Administrator has removed Ed's last name and replaces it with Pendejo. I guess the proof is in the pudding, except in Forest Park where the mayor makes his own rules.

    By Blogger fprelocatingplan, at 9:09 AM, April 03, 2006  

  • That's been fixed leave it alone FP.

    By Blogger AuntBsMayberry, at 8:40 AM, April 04, 2006  

  • Aunt B and Relocator,

    To be honest, I do not sit at my computer, watching the screen, waiting for you to post, so I can reply to your every question.

    I think I should make a few things clear,... I am not the Mayor, I have no (None) affiliation with the Village of Forest Park or the Police Department.

    Aunt Bee, I said it took three Taser strikes, sure enough, however, if you read the report at the begining of this blog you will see that the police officer indicated it took an "Unkown" number of Tasers to have an effect on the offender.
    As far as qualifications on the Taser goes, I would assume the manufacturer of the device has trained individuals who in turn train the Departments that purchase the device. Or the department sends personel to the manufacturer to be trained to train others in it's department to use the device. One of these, or any of a number of other training methods may have been used. I would almost garauntee that NO department would allow anyone to use any equiptment without proper and documented training.

    As far as where the buck stops, not sure if the Mayor can fire a Cop without the officer being reviewed by the Fire and Police Com.

    In reference to the Pendejo stuff, for some time if you typed in the last name of the Mayor of Forest Park it would come up as "Clazone". It has to do with some type of word filter that I am not "Privey" to

    Oh, and Relocating, I wish I had a group of "Goomba Girls"

    I am not a brown noser. I just happen to disagree with you in regard to this incident.

    By Anonymous bbones, at 2:15 AM, April 05, 2006  

  • According to the Mayor's new and improved local ordinances, he can. Just read up on it BB. It states he has the authority to hire and fire any one he chooses for the police department. He also made sure it passed through your commissioners, which is an easy thing to do with 2 easy rubber stamps.

    So if you read the earlier postings why would you throw out the number 3. Again, questions that went unanswered. Nice way of trying to cover for the Mayor's buck. What other backsides do you cover? (Your own, i'm sure)

    By Blogger AuntBsMayberry, at 1:49 PM, April 05, 2006  

  • I believe you are attempting to equate the recent ordinance one Part Time Police Officers with Full Time Officers. He can hire and fire PART TIME folks, not the "Career" Cops.

    Three, Five, Ten. Whatever it took for the Taser to take effect on the combative and assaultive young man being arrested. What is your point with this number game?

    By Anonymous BBones, at 11:00 PM, April 05, 2006  

  • My point is you cannot answer questions but seem to have all the answers for someone that wasn't there. I noticed you also like answering for the Mayor. Once Again: Or is this a report that crossed your desk?

    By Blogger AuntBsMayberry, at 8:26 AM, April 06, 2006  

  • Hey bones when your done with your Mayoral position, I hear a new position at Cook County opened up. Check Cell 9, I hear they are looking for a new boy biotch!

    By Blogger Cook Cty HR, at 8:32 AM, April 08, 2006  

  • If I were to get elected,....

    By Anonymous bbones, at 12:11 AM, April 12, 2006  

  • Well, we can always guarantee one thing in this town. I can go on vacation and return to FP, my hometown and know nothing will ever change. I guess in some ways this is a great thing!
    I guess I will be the one to volunteer to have the pillow fluffed, blanket unfolded and your I.D. ready! Someone has to clean this town up!

    By Anonymous black pit, at 12:05 PM, April 12, 2006  

  • Yes we must clean it up of the Reformado's. those that commit crimes in our town. Lets clean the streets of them.

    By Anonymous bbones, at 11:43 PM, April 15, 2006  

  • Let's clean up the streets of Commissioner Hosty. He is a bad example of government abusing his powers. Maybe when the FBI is done with Melrose Park, they can pay bonesy and quimby a visit.

    Their corrupt politics have lead them to believe that they are the "untouchables". Their lack of Police Department accountability will cause the Village to go bankrupt.

    Let's rid our local government of this filth. Look what happened to Ryan, it only a matter of time before these crooks are found guilty.

    By Anonymous concernedcitizen, at 4:18 PM, April 18, 2006  

  • Why is Hosty brought into the fray here?

    By Anonymous Sam Houston, at 10:24 PM, April 21, 2006  

  • Hosty and Calderone oversee public safety.

    By Anonymous sickntired, at 11:42 AM, April 28, 2006  

  • Yes we need to clean the town of the filthy crooked attorneys like Jeanine Stevens ambulance chasing witch who is attempting very hard to cast a black eye on Forest Park by taking on these contingent law suit cases hoping to get a insurance company settlement. How disgusting. The likes of Reformado who break the law and then get the backing of Carl Nyberg should both be placed in jail. They are law dodgeing people who twist truth either for $$$$ or for self claim of do gooders.

    Makes me sick.

    By Anonymous over the top, at 11:13 PM, April 30, 2006  

  • Right, Stevens went looking for a perverted cop, and police brutality cops.

    Such an ambulance chaser nothing is wrong w/FP PD -- no not at all Bones. you asshole

    By Anonymous Bonesasshole, at 3:46 PM, May 22, 2006  

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