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Monday, April 09, 2007

A07, D209 candidates Forest Park wants to hear from you [D209, FP]

Today I spoke to Rich Vitton, the head of the Forest Park Historical Society.

He expressed a desire for District 209 candidates to make themselves available on ForestParkForums.com.

Sign up for an account and introduce yourself.

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  • I don't blame anyone for not wishing to participate on ForestParkForums.

    The administration of a local internet political forum requires a certain quality of judgment -- that still seems to be missing from FPF.

    I wish the candidates would at least have websites -- and if they have them -- load them up with more than just the banalities that can fit onto a campaign flier.

    By Blogger chris miller, at 12:00 PM, April 10, 2007  

  • Chris, my take is that the existing forums like Proviso Probe, Forest Park Forums and even Proviso Insider, have the audiences.

    It makes more sense to bring the candidates to the audiences than to have the campaigns try to build their own audiences.

    By Blogger Carl Nyberg, at 12:36 PM, April 10, 2007  

  • If a candidate makes a website -- anyone who's interested can google it in about 2 seconds.

    So with a limited number of candidates, "finding an audience" is not a big deal.

    Anonymous slander is the problem with sites like FPF or PP or PI.

    What candidate wants to give credibility to a site where Mr. X (under a possible plethora of disguises) is continually asking them "when was the last time you beat your wife?"

    Some -- like Calderone -- have been game for it -- and maybe they've even benefitted by rising above the clouds of vicious slander -- but many candidates stay away -- and I don't blame them.

    But I do blame them if they won't/can't at least make their own informative website.

    The cost is minimal -- anyone can afford to do it.

    By Blogger chris miller, at 3:02 PM, April 10, 2007  

  • Chris Miller, I would like to know , why don't you show your face?What is it with you showing the audience your bald spot on the back of your head???It appears to me that you probably are stuck in a time warp, needing to understand that you should probably come to grips with your age and experience,cut your hair and stop trying to believe that your 22y/o.Now stop trying to act so pious and so decent, because somebody who portraits themselves with a picture of the back of the head,showing off all your gray hair,your bald spot on the top of your head and showing us that you don't cut your hair eventhough you probably look ridiculous shows to me that you are in denial of your problems and want to portrait yourself as something your not, which is a deep thinker!!!
    You would be better off showing us a picture of your saggy,old ass, at least then we would know where your coming from!!!

    By Anonymous D.S. from Westchester, at 6:48 PM, April 10, 2007  

  • I don't blame Chris for his take on Forestparkforums.com
    He was victim there of silly, unfounded, but vicious accusations and attacks, by
    people who didn't bother to think. (Assuming they had the ability in the first place)
    There are certainly downsides to anonymous postings, but both the potential and real, tangible
    benefits outweigh them substantially.

    The internet is full of trolls who abuse the anonymity. As a medium, it requires saner heads to prevail.
    If thinking people forego participating, the Trolls win. If people could just, somehow, ignore the trolls,
    they'd get bored quickly and find another litter box. For them, the internet is just one big chain of litter boxes waiting
    to be fouled.

    In the community that fpf.com has become, the struggle to minimize the sideshows and conduct semi-civilized debate/
    discussion is on-going. The power of ideas in the public square is vital to our future. I, for one, miss Chris' participation.
    Commenters like ds of westchester and all of the silly Welch bashers who cannot compete with ideas, pick up the equivelent of a
    megaphone and do their little schtick. Big deal. Ignore them unless or until they can come up with an original thought and defend it.

    I know Chris has checked in on fpf.com. I'd like to ask him if he thinks it has improved at all since his first foray?

    By Anonymous watcher, at 11:40 AM, April 11, 2007  

  • No, I don't get a sense that FPF is much better than it was 2 years ago.

    But then, I'm just not that interested in what anonymous people have to say -- or internet forums that cultivate the irresponsibility of anonymity.

    (I realize that sometimes whistleblowers must remain anonymous -- but it's not my job to
    figure out which of them are credible -- that's the job of professional journalists)

    And, yes, I did get trashed pretty bad there a few years ago.

    Somebody on the list used my name to post obscenities on another list -- and then everyone on FPF jumped on me, (one even insulted my wife) , and the FPF administrator validated the attack by tagging my entries with some kind of pejorative logo.

    Yes -- some of these participants may have lacked the intelligence to figure out what was going on -- but the rest of them, "Watcher" included, lacked the character to speak up about it.

    Probably- out in the real world --with their real identities-- these are honest, reliable, hard-working people-- but when they
    put on their masks and play on the internet -- they act like adolescent hoodlums in the cafeteria of a bad high school.

    Maybe it's possible for someone else in our neighborhood to start a more productive political listserv -- but such a person would
    have to be far different from the one who still administrates FPF.

    Just last week he wrote "I always thought the best way to get rid of Mayor Popelka was to simply throw a bucket of water on her."

    In junior high school -- O.K. maybe that's funny.

    But coming from the leader of an adult political discussion group?

    No... I don't think FPF has gotten any better at all.

    By Blogger chris miller, at 8:48 PM, April 13, 2007  

  • Agreed. It is 7 or 8 anonymous people that post nothing but idiot speak. Sadly, I think they represent a significant majority of low level thinkers that reside in Forest Park. There is no longer any credibility on that forum. It has become nothing more than mindless internet entertainment. How boring.

    By Anonymous it ain't nothin', at 12:53 PM, April 14, 2007  

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